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MeHigh7
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You just have to make sure you set him up to run on the advanced tactics. My QB avg's 5.2 Yards/Run (minus sacks because those shouldn't be rushing plays) and he has 22/22 speed/agility. If there's QB's out there with 35/35 they will be pretty damn good. If my guy had a little more speed, I am 100% sure he would have had 2 long rushing TD's this season.

In Advanced Tactics just choose a run but make the only rusher a QB. I tried putting him on Sweeps but he still runs up the middle. I remember someone putting him on Sweeps and he would actually run to the outside. If anyone figured this out let me know.
 
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My QB about four or five levels from now will be very balanced, able to throw and run very well.
I'll try to do what u said
 
kingofgod
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Originally posted by MeHigh7

In Advanced Tactics just choose a run but make the only rusher a QB. I tried putting him on Sweeps but he still runs up the middle. I remember someone putting him on Sweeps and he would actually run to the outside. If anyone figured this out let me know.


I had that set up in the scrimmage games and it worked. When the regular season started it stopped working. I may have been because I put my QB scramble setting to sometimes instead of often. I will test it against the cupcake team my team plays in 3 days.

Here's where it worked:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=82951&pbp_id=103523
 
MeHigh7
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So it only works when setup on often? My QB was on sometimes. I will try out against a lower level team. Now imagine a guy with 50 speed and agility running that...
 
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Originally posted by MeHigh7
So it only works when setup on often? My QB was on sometimes. I will try out against a lower level team. Now imagine a guy with 50 speed and agility running that...


i dont know. Im testing it in my game tomorrow with scramble on often and offensive AI set right. I have two different inputs output settings one to make the qb run off tackle and one to make him run a sweep. we will see which one works
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MeHigh7
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Aight thanks man
 
rsb014
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Originally posted by kingofgod
i dont know. Im testing it in my game tomorrow with scramble on often and offensive AI set right. I have two different inputs output settings one to make the qb run off tackle and one to make him run a sweep. we will see which one works


I don't think they have other called run plays for the QB other than right up the middle now. For example you get the AI to say you are running a toss play to your FB 100% of the time on first down but no such play exists for the game to call. You might just have to call long pass plays while set to scramble a lot and hope the QB decided to tuck it if you want to run outside. I could be wrong though, I haven't messed with QB rushing ever because of the extremely nature of their run plays in the past. Maybe they added more runs?
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MeHigh7
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Originally posted by rsb014
Originally posted by kingofgod

i dont know. Im testing it in my game tomorrow with scramble on often and offensive AI set right. I have two different inputs output settings one to make the qb run off tackle and one to make him run a sweep. we will see which one works


I don't think they have other called run plays for the QB other than right up the middle now. For example you get the AI to say you are running a toss play to your FB 100% of the time on first down but no such play exists for the game to call. You might just have to call long pass plays while set to scramble a lot and hope the QB decided to tuck it if you want to run outside. I could be wrong though, I haven't messed with QB rushing ever because of the extremely nature of their run plays in the past. Maybe the added more runs?


I'm pretty sure there is a boot-leg. The QB acts the exact same way a HB would on a pitch. I will try to find a replay.

Edit: LOL It's actually posted in this thread - http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=82951&pbp_id=103523
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rsb014
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The replay you have above is the ONLY time I have ever seen a QB cross the line of scrimmage outside the pocket in almost 3 full seasons playing the game so at least I know my previous belief that the QB will not tuck the ball and run on a called pass play might not be correct. It looks kind of like a bootleg pass where the TE and WR were pretty well covered as opposed to a called QB run, but it is hard to tell exactly when the TE and WR start run blocking instead of looking for a pass.

The problem is if it was a called pass play that turned into a run it will be hard to call a similar play reliably. Since scrambling is determined by QB tactics you have to call pass plays hoping the QB decided to scramble on that play and that the blocking permits it, then you have to hope your receivers are well covered and that the QB decided to tuck the ball and run instead. I'm sure eventually Bort will expand the offensive plays, possibly when he lets the offensive AI call specific formations. When that happens I think your work will have a much better chance of paying off.
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MeHigh7
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I have seen it before. Tell you what, i got a game against a weak team coming up in 2 days. I will attempt to run the boot-leg and let you know how it goes. We will see if you can actually do it or if it was a fluke.
 
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Cool I am definitely interested in the results. My QB is a pure pocket passer so I won't really be able to use it but still I've already learned at least SOMETHING from this thread from that replay. In seasons past it seems like the play above would always end up the QB running to the line of scrimmage and then stopping, leading a lot of people to believe a bug prevented the QB from even trying to run on a called pass play.
 
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Just a suggestion for testing it, you could try setting your QB to frequently scramble and then pick a down and distance or other situation where you will have a 100% chance of calling some form of pass play (maybe long pass to get that shotgun formation above) and then set up another down and distance where you have a 100% chance of calling outside run by the QB. All you should have to do then is look at what happened each time your team was in that down and distance. You could even make it quarter specific like 100% chance of running with the QB on 2nd and short in the 1st quarter and a 100% chance to pass on 2nd and short in the 2nd quarter.
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That's what im doing.
 
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Something just occured to me, if you are playing a really weak team then your WRs might get open too easy for the QB to tuck it and run very much. It might be a good idea to try some in the 4th quarter if you set the energy settings to favor backups when you have a late lead. Backup WRs might take longer to get open and increase your chance to scramble. I'd try it myself but with 16 speed my QB runs like Drew Bledsoe.
Last edited Aug 25, 2008 21:21:17
 
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Originally posted by rsb014
Something just occured to me, if you are playing a really weak team then your WRs might get open too easy for the QB to tuck it and run very much. It might be a good idea to try some in the 4th quarter if you set the energy settings to favor backups when you have a late lead. Backup WRs might take longer to get open and increase your chance to scramble.


It's aight man cuz its a guaranteed QB rush. It's what i have been using right now. If my team is up by 8 or more 25% of the time one 1st and 10 my QB will run up the middle. I will do the same thing this time except i will change it to the pitch and set my scrambling to often. SHOULD work as planned.
 
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