How do i found out who is the lead block on each play or is it always the FB/TE?..
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Kenshinzen
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Anyone that blocks downfield ahead of HB is leadblocking (if you asked about that).
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Originally posted by Kenshinzen
Anyone that blocks downfield ahead of HB is leadblocking (if you asked about that).
It's more specific than that. Unfortunately I don't think Bort has identified who is considered to be lead blocking on particular plays.
Anyone that blocks downfield ahead of HB is leadblocking (if you asked about that).
It's more specific than that. Unfortunately I don't think Bort has identified who is considered to be lead blocking on particular plays.
Originally posted by jdbolick
It's more specific than that. Unfortunately I don't think Bort has identified who is considered to be lead blocking on particular plays.
Yes. Initially it's always the assigned blocker in front of the HB (or QB if such a play has lead blockers assigned). So taking a standard formation (HB, FB, QB in the backfield), at the start of the play, the FB is considered a 'lead blocker'. However, if you're running between the guards then the center is also considered a lead blocker (since the HB is running 'behind him'). Vaguely, it's about both 'assigned blockers' (an assigned blocker is one that, by play design, is SUPPOSED to be blocking in the path of the man with the ball)... and, as the play develops, those that become lead blockers (say a WR on the outside of the formation which becomes a 'lead blocker' should the HB decide to bounce out from his intended route and run outside instead).
Also, I think it works for ST dots as well. I think.
It's more specific than that. Unfortunately I don't think Bort has identified who is considered to be lead blocking on particular plays.
Yes. Initially it's always the assigned blocker in front of the HB (or QB if such a play has lead blockers assigned). So taking a standard formation (HB, FB, QB in the backfield), at the start of the play, the FB is considered a 'lead blocker'. However, if you're running between the guards then the center is also considered a lead blocker (since the HB is running 'behind him'). Vaguely, it's about both 'assigned blockers' (an assigned blocker is one that, by play design, is SUPPOSED to be blocking in the path of the man with the ball)... and, as the play develops, those that become lead blockers (say a WR on the outside of the formation which becomes a 'lead blocker' should the HB decide to bounce out from his intended route and run outside instead).
Also, I think it works for ST dots as well. I think.
Lead block is based off of the gap to run. Even counters have lead blocks. I always took it as the line drawn for a run regular route is the line that indicates the lead block. A transition blocker) like wizz is saying) becomes lead block after the fact but is not always meant to use LB SA...I.E. a WR with lead block who got caked early or a FB who got over run by HB. You see LB get dusted when a QB outruns the FB/HB on RQB routes. Must lead to fire and be leading as I read it
DiMo28
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Originally posted by Dr. E
Are there any stipulations as to when the lead block SA wont work for a guard?
Originally posted by Bort
No, he just has to be lead blocking. The most common situations where it applies are when pulling or when there's nobody on the line block and he heads to the second level.
Are there any stipulations as to when the lead block SA wont work for a guard?
Originally posted by Bort
No, he just has to be lead blocking. The most common situations where it applies are when pulling or when there's nobody on the line block and he heads to the second level.
3kk0
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Originally posted by Kenshinzen
Anyone that blocks downfield ahead of HB is leadblocking (if you asked about that).
It's more specific than that. Unfortunately I don't think Bort has identified who is considered to be lead blocking on particular plays.
Actually, both are correct. Lead Block works for any blocker close to or out in front of the runner or is coded to be a "Lead Blocker"
http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4784083&page=5#44198531
As for ST, it seems like it would work in the same way:
http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4370119&page=1#39334082
Originally posted by lukin83
Does the Lead Block SA work on kick/punt returns? I am pretty sure I saw this answered in a previous Q&A, but I have not been able to locate it.
Originally posted by Bort
It'll work for players leading near the returner.
Also, http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4370119&page=1#39334082
Originally posted by Kenshinzen
Anyone that blocks downfield ahead of HB is leadblocking (if you asked about that).
It's more specific than that. Unfortunately I don't think Bort has identified who is considered to be lead blocking on particular plays.
Actually, both are correct. Lead Block works for any blocker close to or out in front of the runner or is coded to be a "Lead Blocker"
http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4784083&page=5#44198531
As for ST, it seems like it would work in the same way:
http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4370119&page=1#39334082
Originally posted by lukin83
Does the Lead Block SA work on kick/punt returns? I am pretty sure I saw this answered in a previous Q&A, but I have not been able to locate it.
Originally posted by Bort
It'll work for players leading near the returner.
Also, http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4370119&page=1#39334082
Guppy, Inc
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i've never seen any evidence that it works at all on st. the problem seems to be the definition of "close"
Lead block only fires if there is a LEAD route assigned in the play call...If it has a white line its a lead block if not you are blocking out front
Originally posted by skibodragula
Lead block only fires if there is a LEAD route assigned in the play call...If it has a white line its a lead block if not you are blocking out front
Not quite true but close, Skib. If you're running between the tackles then Lead Block applies to both the FB (or HB if blocking for the FB) and any pulling guard (on trap and counter plays). But, on outside pitch plays (and sweeps and tosses and screens), then it applies to the WR's and even TE's.
Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
i've never seen any evidence that it works at all on st. the problem seems to be the definition of "close"
I don't remember when or exactly what was said (word for word) but in one of the Q&A's I remember Bort and company saying that it did work for ST's and that it was a proximity based SA. I remember because it's still written down as such in my GLB notebook. Unfortunately it simply reads 'It works for ST's and is proximity based' in my notes... not the exact reply that was given in the Q&A. Sorry. I think I've used it a few times on some of my STOP blockers but, like you, there's simply no way to KNOW if, when, or how it works. So it's not one of my favs.
Lead block only fires if there is a LEAD route assigned in the play call...If it has a white line its a lead block if not you are blocking out front
Not quite true but close, Skib. If you're running between the tackles then Lead Block applies to both the FB (or HB if blocking for the FB) and any pulling guard (on trap and counter plays). But, on outside pitch plays (and sweeps and tosses and screens), then it applies to the WR's and even TE's.
Originally posted by Guppy, Inc
i've never seen any evidence that it works at all on st. the problem seems to be the definition of "close"
I don't remember when or exactly what was said (word for word) but in one of the Q&A's I remember Bort and company saying that it did work for ST's and that it was a proximity based SA. I remember because it's still written down as such in my GLB notebook. Unfortunately it simply reads 'It works for ST's and is proximity based' in my notes... not the exact reply that was given in the Q&A. Sorry. I think I've used it a few times on some of my STOP blockers but, like you, there's simply no way to KNOW if, when, or how it works. So it's not one of my favs.
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Bee searching for those clues on STNow speed might be needed if the ball carrier over runs the Blockers
KRS has 3 blocks set in front PRS has 2 from the link I think the HB wound up the lead the WR who was buried may also be.
http://glb.warriorgeneral.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=2753160&pbp_id=1503638
Edited by shepsterbird on Jul 26, 2015 20:54:33
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