Two OC's using 2 different types of OAI's...how effective would that be in confusing the Defense?
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even better if you have 3
providing they all know how to OC well enough
if 2 of your OC's where ProKop and myself.... team would never score on offense.
providing they all know how to OC well enough
if 2 of your OC's where ProKop and myself.... team would never score on offense.
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Originally posted by ClutchDreams
Two OC's using 2 different types of OAI's...how effective would that be in confusing the Defense?
Depends on how truly different the two OCs and two OAIs were, but it could be pretty effective.
Of course, you'd have to schedule them and keep the schedule straight. And you can't just alternate back and forth between them every other game, because some clever DC at some point would notice the pattern and figure out which OAI they were going to face when it was time for you to play them.
And as Bane pointed out, that's assuming that you have two OCs who know what the fuck they're doing too... and it's hard to find ONE OC who knows what the fuck he's doing in GLB, let alone finding TWO.
Two OC's using 2 different types of OAI's...how effective would that be in confusing the Defense?
Depends on how truly different the two OCs and two OAIs were, but it could be pretty effective.
Of course, you'd have to schedule them and keep the schedule straight. And you can't just alternate back and forth between them every other game, because some clever DC at some point would notice the pattern and figure out which OAI they were going to face when it was time for you to play them.
And as Bane pointed out, that's assuming that you have two OCs who know what the fuck they're doing too... and it's hard to find ONE OC who knows what the fuck he's doing in GLB, let alone finding TWO.
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It would only have a significant effect if they use the same players differently. DCing is much too complicated to worry about scouting and making plays to stop each individual opponent during the regular season, so the only thing you can really do is confuse how to tag your team.
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It would be no different that running one OAI during the season and a completely different one during the post season. You could also just create two or three different OAIs and use them throughout the season, but a DC is only going to fix holes in their defense during the season; not adjust to what the opponent is doing.
It would be no different that running one OAI during the season and a completely different one during the post season. You could also just create two or three different OAIs and use them throughout the season, but a DC is only going to fix holes in their defense during the season; not adjust to what the opponent is doing.
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Originally posted by jpjn94
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It would be no different that running one OAI during the season and a completely different one during the post season. You could also just create two or three different OAIs and use them throughout the season, but a DC is only going to fix holes in their defense during the season; not adjust to what the opponent is doing.
Eh, depends on the DC. Some DCs are exactly as you describe, but I've seen more than enough DCs both on the way up the ladder and in Natty Pro and WL who do make specific adjustments for each opponent. As an OC, that's the first thing I try to figure out when I look at our upcoming opponent: what approach does their DC seem to take? Some guys shake things up game-to-game, other guys just run with a core D all season long and make only minor adjustments if any at all. And then there are the guys who lull you into a false sense of security by keeping their D the same and then spring a surprise change on a rival in Game 7 or something. Every DC is different.
Of course, 90% of DCs claim they never change anything at all. About half of them are lying, and I can see it when I scout them. But it's a good lie to tell, because a lot of people fall for it, so I applaud them for it. Do what you gotta do to get those wins.
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It would be no different that running one OAI during the season and a completely different one during the post season. You could also just create two or three different OAIs and use them throughout the season, but a DC is only going to fix holes in their defense during the season; not adjust to what the opponent is doing.
Eh, depends on the DC. Some DCs are exactly as you describe, but I've seen more than enough DCs both on the way up the ladder and in Natty Pro and WL who do make specific adjustments for each opponent. As an OC, that's the first thing I try to figure out when I look at our upcoming opponent: what approach does their DC seem to take? Some guys shake things up game-to-game, other guys just run with a core D all season long and make only minor adjustments if any at all. And then there are the guys who lull you into a false sense of security by keeping their D the same and then spring a surprise change on a rival in Game 7 or something. Every DC is different.
Of course, 90% of DCs claim they never change anything at all. About half of them are lying, and I can see it when I scout them. But it's a good lie to tell, because a lot of people fall for it, so I applaud them for it. Do what you gotta do to get those wins.
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A lot of DCs run a generic bend but don't break defense and don't really make much adjustments so meh.
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If everything you do is based off scouting, 2 OC's/DC's is beneficial in terms of less burn out. Though most people run a base throughout the season and make minor tweaks since the sim is a billion years old and stale now.
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That's what assistants should be doing. Coming up with a 'flip side to the coin' kind of scheme to possibly use - to the coordinators discretion.
Originally posted by bhall43
If everything you do is based off scouting, 2 OC's/DC's is beneficial in terms of less burn out. Though most people run a base throughout the season and make minor tweaks since the sim is a billion years old and stale now.
Absolutely. Just beware... you can get super crazy (like I did) about it. My second season as an OC I had 7 different offense setups just so my opponents wouldn't know what was gonna happen from game to game. It doesn't take long to burn out at that rate.
If everything you do is based off scouting, 2 OC's/DC's is beneficial in terms of less burn out. Though most people run a base throughout the season and make minor tweaks since the sim is a billion years old and stale now.
Absolutely. Just beware... you can get super crazy (like I did) about it. My second season as an OC I had 7 different offense setups just so my opponents wouldn't know what was gonna happen from game to game. It doesn't take long to burn out at that rate.
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Wow. Ok, so if i DO find people who know what the fuck they're doing, and have different OAI setups and such, it would be good? Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Absolutely. Just beware... you can get super crazy (like I did) about it. My second season as an OC I had 7 different offense setups just so my opponents wouldn't know what was gonna happen from game to game. It doesn't take long to burn out at that rate.
By burn out you mean...?
Absolutely. Just beware... you can get super crazy (like I did) about it. My second season as an OC I had 7 different offense setups just so my opponents wouldn't know what was gonna happen from game to game. It doesn't take long to burn out at that rate.
By burn out you mean...?
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Originally posted by ClutchDreams
By burn out you mean...?
"Burn-out" means using up all of your mental energy for game-planning too soon, like an engine burning off all of its fuel by running too many RPMs for too long.
By burn out you mean...?
"Burn-out" means using up all of your mental energy for game-planning too soon, like an engine burning off all of its fuel by running too many RPMs for too long.
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Originally posted by Novus
"Burn-out" means using up all of your mental energy for game-planning too soon, like an engine burning off all of its fuel by running too many RPMs for too long.
Oh. But to have 2 people or 3 split the work would be good tho right?
"Burn-out" means using up all of your mental energy for game-planning too soon, like an engine burning off all of its fuel by running too many RPMs for too long.
Oh. But to have 2 people or 3 split the work would be good tho right?
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Originally posted by ClutchDreams
Oh. But to have 2 people or 3 split the work would be good tho right?
Not necessarily, for the reasons listed above.
Remember, somebody's got to organize that schedule of who OCs which games, and that can turn into a clusterfuck in a hurry if you're not clear and effective as a scheduler. That's how you end up with both OCs fucking up each other's gameplans on the same game while another game has no offensive gameplan at all.
Plus even if a person only has to OC 8 games, if they have a crap-ton of shit going on at home or work, they might still burn-out anyway.
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It really seems like you're looking for a nice, simple, "magic pill" answer for "winning" this game. There isn't one.
Just find what works best for you and do it, and make adjustments along the way as needed. If you can make 2 OCs work, great! But there's no way to know if it will or won't work until you actually try it, and there's no guarantees either way.
Oh. But to have 2 people or 3 split the work would be good tho right?
Not necessarily, for the reasons listed above.
Remember, somebody's got to organize that schedule of who OCs which games, and that can turn into a clusterfuck in a hurry if you're not clear and effective as a scheduler. That's how you end up with both OCs fucking up each other's gameplans on the same game while another game has no offensive gameplan at all.
Plus even if a person only has to OC 8 games, if they have a crap-ton of shit going on at home or work, they might still burn-out anyway.
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It really seems like you're looking for a nice, simple, "magic pill" answer for "winning" this game. There isn't one.
Just find what works best for you and do it, and make adjustments along the way as needed. If you can make 2 OCs work, great! But there's no way to know if it will or won't work until you actually try it, and there's no guarantees either way.
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Originally posted by Theo Wizzago
Absolutely. Just beware... you can get super crazy (like I did) about it. My second season as an OC I had 7 different offense setups just so my opponents wouldn't know what was gonna happen from game to game. It doesn't take long to burn out at that rate.
If you are getting to the point where you have made 7 different offensive strategies, you should probably step back and look around the league for better ways to do things. No DC is going to legitimately care that you went through all that trouble and it is likely costing you a ton of opportunities.
Absolutely. Just beware... you can get super crazy (like I did) about it. My second season as an OC I had 7 different offense setups just so my opponents wouldn't know what was gonna happen from game to game. It doesn't take long to burn out at that rate.
If you are getting to the point where you have made 7 different offensive strategies, you should probably step back and look around the league for better ways to do things. No DC is going to legitimately care that you went through all that trouble and it is likely costing you a ton of opportunities.
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