Warrior General Games

carrying at 50, catching at 77, strength at 50, jumping at 48 (i assume these are the only #s that would matter in terms of being able to pull in a pass and holding on to it)

does the problem lie in below par attributes? with brace for impact be a possible solution? or would a SA like catch in stride be more appropriate?

jumping and diving catch?

^ thing is, he is getting his hands on the ball, so it's not that it's sailing over his head , it's that once it's in his hands, he is basically bobbling it (or not securing it well enough) that it gets knocked out of his hands

i hope you aren't talking about http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=4383002

if it is you need way more carrying + strength to make a semi-effective break tackle Receiver.

for tight ends cover up is one of the receiving SA's but it only says fumble prevention so probably doesn't prevent knocked loose but it might

Originally posted by empty3
for tight ends cover up is one of the receiving SA's but it only says fumble prevention so probably doesn't prevent knocked loose but it might

It does work in the knocked loose roll, it's just a LOT less effective in the Knocked Loose roll than it is in the Not Fumble roll. Better off just investing in brace for impact, more carrying, catching, and strength.

Originally posted by DIphoeniX
carrying at 50, catching at 77, strength at 50, jumping at 48 (i assume these are the only #s that would matter in terms of being able to pull in a pass and holding on to it)

does the problem lie in below par attributes? with brace for impact be a possible solution? or would a SA like catch in stride be more appropriate?

Yes, for a WR that isn't focused on breaking tackles and doesn't have super specialized ridiculous 170+ speed you want to hit ~65+ carrying to assist in the knocked loose roll. Will help you fight off knocked loose on the non specialized dots that have decent tackling. There is of course no protection from HH DB's that without over-investing in carrying and strength.

Does he have Poss Rec VA?

That's always seemed to take the biggest bite out of KLs for me, standard VA for almost all receivers imo.

Originally posted by DIphoeniX
carrying at 50, catching at 77, strength at 50, jumping at 48 (i assume these are the only #s that would matter in terms of being able to pull in a pass and holding on to it)

does the problem lie in below par attributes? with brace for impact be a possible solution? or would a SA like catch in stride be more appropriate?

Brace 4 Impact probably won't do much for you. If I were you I would worry more about getting some fakes in order to create separation for your WR. Chasing less KL's at this stage probably isn't going to net you much value. But if you are truly worried about how many KL's you are getting. As Fu asks, do you have Poss WR VA?

Originally posted by bhall43
Brace 4 Impact probably won't do much for you. If I were you I would worry more about getting some fakes in order to create separation for your WR. Chasing less KL's at this stage probably isn't going to net you much value. But if you are truly worried about how many KL's you are getting. As Fu asks, do you have Poss WR VA?

thing is he has fakes and can get separation. the knocked loose that concerned me and urged me to post the question here was on two catches in consecutive games where he got away from the CB and safety (obviously not too far away, but clear daylight between them) and he 'catches' the ball but the DBs catch up and knock it loose before he gets control of it. i wouldn't be so concerned if it was in heavy traffic or with a DB draped all over him and it got knocked out (though you want him to catch that too) but it's the fact that he actually got separation from the DBs, gets the ball into his possession and then allows them to knock it out. so i'm guessing he is bobbling the ball and maybe his averaging catching attribute may be to blame. maybe i'm overreacting but with limited opportunities to get yards, for him to drop a well thrown 20+ yard catch (that if caught properly could have lead to him gaining a lot of YAC since DBs tend not to catch him once he gets a five yard head start) is very frustrating.

no i don't have the possession WR VA, is that something you think would solve the problem completely?

Originally posted by DIphoeniX
thing is he has fakes and can get separation. the knocked loose that concerned me and urged me to post the question here was on two catches in consecutive games where he got away from the CB and safety (obviously not too far away, but clear daylight between them) and he 'catches' the ball but the DBs catch up and knock it loose before he gets control of it. i wouldn't be so concerned if it was in heavy traffic or with a DB draped all over him and it got knocked out (though you want him to catch that too) but it's the fact that he actually got separation from the DBs, gets the ball into his possession and then allows them to knock it out. so i'm guessing he is bobbling the ball and maybe his averaging catching attribute may be to blame. maybe i'm overreacting but with limited opportunities to get yards, for him to drop a well thrown 20+ yard catch (that if caught properly could have lead to him gaining a lot of YAC since DBs tend not to catch him once he gets a five yard head start) is very frustrating.

no i don't have the possession WR VA, is that something you think would solve the problem completely?

All WR's should have Poss WR VA. Its like life alert for old people.

Originally posted by Sellars
All WR's should have Poss WR VA. Its like life alert for old people.

i dont agree with that.

And adding Poss WR won't necessarily cure your problem completely, but it will obviously help your situation.

In my experience, Poss Rec will cut your KLs roughly in half, but it wont remove them completely, nothing will so there is definitely a limit to how hard you want to try to remove them.

I used to push 60 carrying on all my pass catchers, but it's only good for 1-2 less KLs than 50 gets you so I'd rather buy another SA than do that anymore.

More carrying, plus Mr. Reliable and Possession WR VAs will help counter KL catches. Sure Hands does not help so avoid that VA, IMO.

I like 60 Carrying on my speed guys and 70+ on possession, but you can live with 50 since you're at the end stages. I'd be more worried about increasing Catching. 77 is a little low.

Originally posted by bhall43
i dont agree with that.

And adding Poss WR won't necessarily cure your problem completely, but it will obviously help your situation.

Kind of hard to argue against it just for the 30% bonus to catching, unless your WR primarily runs deep routes.

Originally posted by Sellars
Kind of hard to argue against it just for the 30% bonus to catching, unless your WR primarily runs deep routes.

i have wrs on every team i oc without poss wr. very rarely are you throwing to wrs short of 10 yards. i think i do it less than 20 times a season.