It says it works on either offense or defense so does this mean it would have no value for a returner or does it in fact work for ST too but doesn't specify?
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coreyls18
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Even if it did work for STs. Would you really want it? Seems like it would be a waste. But yeah I dont think it works for STs anyway.
Timetoshine-Metta
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id assume it only works when the play starts inside the opponents 20 or when the opposing team is driving into the 20
not anytime the player is inside the 20
so no
not anytime the player is inside the 20
so no
Edited by Timetoshine-Metta on Jul 8, 2013 10:56:56
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Originally posted by K-Wurx
It might not be a waste if it worked for a returner.
It not work for returner.
This VA require LOS inside Red Zone, thus not work for special team. (no LOS)
It might not be a waste if it worked for a returner.
It not work for returner.
This VA require LOS inside Red Zone, thus not work for special team. (no LOS)
^That. Per Bort the VA only fires when the play starts inside the redzone. If you start at the 21 and rush inside in the 20 it will not activate during that play.
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Originally posted by aaasahi
It not work for returner.
This VA require LOS inside Red Zone, thus not work for special team. (no LOS)
I was not aware of the LOS requirement but that does make sense. I assumed it was 'possessional' in the sense that it triggers when the play clock starts making the returner the 'defensive' player due to the other team having possession of the ball. I also assume that if a turnover occurs, you'd still receive the bonus on the defensive side of things as your team didn't have possession of the ball when RZF triggered. In this instance, your returner should also receive the bonus assuming he receives the ball inside your teams' 20 and that is why I would want it for a returner if it worked for ST too.
At the same time, my logic might be flawed and probably is but it would have been interesting to test out if it worked for ST too.
It not work for returner.
This VA require LOS inside Red Zone, thus not work for special team. (no LOS)
I was not aware of the LOS requirement but that does make sense. I assumed it was 'possessional' in the sense that it triggers when the play clock starts making the returner the 'defensive' player due to the other team having possession of the ball. I also assume that if a turnover occurs, you'd still receive the bonus on the defensive side of things as your team didn't have possession of the ball when RZF triggered. In this instance, your returner should also receive the bonus assuming he receives the ball inside your teams' 20 and that is why I would want it for a returner if it worked for ST too.
At the same time, my logic might be flawed and probably is but it would have been interesting to test out if it worked for ST too.
Timetoshine-Metta
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Originally posted by Bobaganoosh
I was not aware of the LOS requirement but that does make sense. I assumed it was 'possessional' in the sense that it triggers when the play clock starts making the returner the 'defensive' player due to the other team having possession of the ball. I also assume that if a turnover occurs, you'd still receive the bonus on the defensive side of things as your team didn't have possession of the ball when RZF triggered. In this instance, your returner should also receive the bonus assuming he receives the ball inside your teams' 20 and that is why I would want it for a returner if it worked for ST too.
At the same time, my logic might be flawed and probably is but it would have been interesting to test out if it worked for ST too.
im p sure its only referring to a team going into the endzone, not both areas inside the 20
I was not aware of the LOS requirement but that does make sense. I assumed it was 'possessional' in the sense that it triggers when the play clock starts making the returner the 'defensive' player due to the other team having possession of the ball. I also assume that if a turnover occurs, you'd still receive the bonus on the defensive side of things as your team didn't have possession of the ball when RZF triggered. In this instance, your returner should also receive the bonus assuming he receives the ball inside your teams' 20 and that is why I would want it for a returner if it worked for ST too.
At the same time, my logic might be flawed and probably is but it would have been interesting to test out if it worked for ST too.
im p sure its only referring to a team going into the endzone, not both areas inside the 20
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It only works when the play "starts" with the LOS at or inside the 20 yard line of the opposing team. It does not work inside your own 20. It does not work for special teams.
Originally posted by whodey08
It only works when the play "starts" with the LOS at or inside the 20 yard line of the opposing team. It does not work inside your own 20. It does not work for special teams.
what about defense?
pretty sure it works on D, but then would be on or inside your own 20
It only works when the play "starts" with the LOS at or inside the 20 yard line of the opposing team. It does not work inside your own 20. It does not work for special teams.
what about defense?
pretty sure it works on D, but then would be on or inside your own 20
Novus
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Originally posted by Bane
what about defense?
pretty sure it works on D, but then would be on or inside your own 20
Yeah, I think I get what whodey is trying to say, but his phrasing is off.
Red Zone Freak is indeed dependent on where the line of scrimmage is at the start of the play. It only works if the offense's line of scrimmage is within 20 yards of the defense's end zone. However, it works for both offense and defense... it will help the offense try to get those last few yards into the end zone, and it will also helps the defense stiffen up in a last-ditch effort to keep the offense out.
(It won't, of course, help out the offense if they're backed up inside their own 20, nor would the defense get a boost in this case either.)
It also works on Special Teams... I've seen that confirmed by Bort and Catch. But think about it...
- Kickoffs and kickoff returns are obviously out, since the line of scrimmage is nowhere near the 20.
- Punts and punt returns are also out... the offense isn't allowed to call a punt inside the opponent's 20.
- That just leaves FG attempts... however, it would only be for FG attempts where the line of scrimmage is inside the opponent's 20... an attempt anywhere from 17 to 37 yards. Those are pretty much automatic, so putting Red Zone Freak on your FG unit wouldn't accomplish much, except maybe make it a little easier for your O-line to prevent blocks. And putting Red Zone Freak on your FG Block unit might make you slightly more likely to get a block, but it's still gonna be a tiny chance regardless.
So yeah, while Red Zone Freak technically does work on Special Teams, you'll get precious-few opportunities to actually get any benefit from it just due to circumstances and the rules of the game.
what about defense?
pretty sure it works on D, but then would be on or inside your own 20
Yeah, I think I get what whodey is trying to say, but his phrasing is off.
Red Zone Freak is indeed dependent on where the line of scrimmage is at the start of the play. It only works if the offense's line of scrimmage is within 20 yards of the defense's end zone. However, it works for both offense and defense... it will help the offense try to get those last few yards into the end zone, and it will also helps the defense stiffen up in a last-ditch effort to keep the offense out.
(It won't, of course, help out the offense if they're backed up inside their own 20, nor would the defense get a boost in this case either.)
It also works on Special Teams... I've seen that confirmed by Bort and Catch. But think about it...
- Kickoffs and kickoff returns are obviously out, since the line of scrimmage is nowhere near the 20.
- Punts and punt returns are also out... the offense isn't allowed to call a punt inside the opponent's 20.
- That just leaves FG attempts... however, it would only be for FG attempts where the line of scrimmage is inside the opponent's 20... an attempt anywhere from 17 to 37 yards. Those are pretty much automatic, so putting Red Zone Freak on your FG unit wouldn't accomplish much, except maybe make it a little easier for your O-line to prevent blocks. And putting Red Zone Freak on your FG Block unit might make you slightly more likely to get a block, but it's still gonna be a tiny chance regardless.
So yeah, while Red Zone Freak technically does work on Special Teams, you'll get precious-few opportunities to actually get any benefit from it just due to circumstances and the rules of the game.
whodey08
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Originally posted by Novus
Yeah, I think I get what whodey is trying to say, but his phrasing is off.
Red Zone Freak is indeed dependent on where the line of scrimmage is at the start of the play. It only works if the offense's line of scrimmage is within 20 yards of the defense's end zone. However, it works for both offense and defense... it will help the offense try to get those last few yards into the end zone, and it will also helps the defense stiffen up in a last-ditch effort to keep the offense out.
(It won't, of course, help out the offense if they're backed up inside their own 20, nor would the defense get a boost in this case either.)
It also works on Special Teams... I've seen that confirmed by Bort and Catch. But think about it...
- Kickoffs and kickoff returns are obviously out, since the line of scrimmage is nowhere near the 20.
- Punts and punt returns are also out... the offense isn't allowed to call a punt inside the opponent's 20.
- That just leaves FG attempts... however, it would only be for FG attempts where the line of scrimmage is inside the opponent's 20... an attempt anywhere from 17 to 37 yards. Those are pretty much automatic, so putting Red Zone Freak on your FG unit wouldn't accomplish much, except maybe make it a little easier for your O-line to prevent blocks. And putting Red Zone Freak on your FG Block unit might make you slightly more likely to get a block, but it's still gonna be a tiny chance regardless.
So yeah, while Red Zone Freak technically does work on Special Teams, you'll get precious-few opportunities to actually get any benefit from it just due to circumstances and the rules of the game.
That's pretty much what I said except I stayed within the realm of the GLB theme which is to keep people confused at all times.
Yeah, I think I get what whodey is trying to say, but his phrasing is off.
Red Zone Freak is indeed dependent on where the line of scrimmage is at the start of the play. It only works if the offense's line of scrimmage is within 20 yards of the defense's end zone. However, it works for both offense and defense... it will help the offense try to get those last few yards into the end zone, and it will also helps the defense stiffen up in a last-ditch effort to keep the offense out.
(It won't, of course, help out the offense if they're backed up inside their own 20, nor would the defense get a boost in this case either.)
It also works on Special Teams... I've seen that confirmed by Bort and Catch. But think about it...
- Kickoffs and kickoff returns are obviously out, since the line of scrimmage is nowhere near the 20.
- Punts and punt returns are also out... the offense isn't allowed to call a punt inside the opponent's 20.
- That just leaves FG attempts... however, it would only be for FG attempts where the line of scrimmage is inside the opponent's 20... an attempt anywhere from 17 to 37 yards. Those are pretty much automatic, so putting Red Zone Freak on your FG unit wouldn't accomplish much, except maybe make it a little easier for your O-line to prevent blocks. And putting Red Zone Freak on your FG Block unit might make you slightly more likely to get a block, but it's still gonna be a tiny chance regardless.
So yeah, while Red Zone Freak technically does work on Special Teams, you'll get precious-few opportunities to actually get any benefit from it just due to circumstances and the rules of the game.
That's pretty much what I said except I stayed within the realm of the GLB theme which is to keep people confused at all times.
Novus
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Originally posted by whodey08
That's pretty much what I said except I stayed within the realm of the GLB theme which is to keep people confused at all times.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I said except...
Originally posted by Novus
Yeah, I think I get what whodey is trying to say, but his phrasing is off.
That's pretty much what I said except I stayed within the realm of the GLB theme which is to keep people confused at all times.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I said except...
Originally posted by Novus
Yeah, I think I get what whodey is trying to say, but his phrasing is off.
Originally posted by whodey08
That's pretty much what I said except I stayed within the realm of the GLB theme which is to keep people confused at all times.
LOL
And I knew what you meant, I was just tryin to get you to clarify so as to not confuse more of the masses
That's pretty much what I said except I stayed within the realm of the GLB theme which is to keep people confused at all times.
LOL
And I knew what you meant, I was just tryin to get you to clarify so as to not confuse more of the masses
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