what is the better VA? soft hands, sure hands or possession receiver
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coreyls18
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They all 3 do different things.
1. Just adds to your catching. If you already have a high number of catching then this is good as it will add more. I do like this on my WRs though. If you have already 80 or more in catching then this can give a pretty big boost if you put 15 in it. Thats a +7.5% boost. Example, if you have 80 catching, it gives +6.
2. Sure Hands - useless, do not use.
3. Poss rec. - Get with OC, it only works on passes 8 yards or less. So if your WR isnt being targeted on short routes then avoid this VA.
1. Just adds to your catching. If you already have a high number of catching then this is good as it will add more. I do like this on my WRs though. If you have already 80 or more in catching then this can give a pretty big boost if you put 15 in it. Thats a +7.5% boost. Example, if you have 80 catching, it gives +6.
2. Sure Hands - useless, do not use.
3. Poss rec. - Get with OC, it only works on passes 8 yards or less. So if your WR isnt being targeted on short routes then avoid this VA.
Edited by coreyls18 on Jun 10, 2013 15:24:26
Sure Hands is terrible. Avoid it like the plague. Sure Hands only helps you w/ drops (not including knocked loose)
Soft Hands and Possession Receiver are both good picks for receiver VAs.
Soft Hands and Possession Receiver are both good picks for receiver VAs.
coreyls18
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The only time id ever recommend Sure hands is in the low level leagues when you have basically no catching yet. But thats for basically one season, then reset and put in something else. Better off just ignoring it all together.
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It all depends. Let's look at the VA descriptions side by side:
Soft Hands
This player can catch anything. Each level of Soft Hands gives a +0.5% bonus to the catching attribute.
Sure Hands
When failing a catch pass check, the Sure Hands ability gives this player a second chance to retry the roll. Each level gives a +5% chance to allow the second roll.
Possession Receiver
This player catches short passes with ease. Each level of Possession Receiver gives a +2% bonus to making catches shorter than 8 yards, and a +2% bonus to resisting having the ball knocked loose by a tackle, when playing WR or TE.
First of all, if you don't already have a lot in Catching, then Soft Hands won't help you much since it's a +% bonus to whatever you already have in Catching. If you only have, like, 30 Catching, each point in Soft Hands is only gonna add 0.15 to Catching, so that makes it pretty useless.
If you have a receiving-build HB or FB, Possession Receiver is useless, since it only works if you're playing WR or TE.
Also depends on the types of routes your guy usually runs. If he only does long downfield streaks and never gets targeted up close, then Possession Receiver is useless. But if all he does is short crossing routes and never gets target downfield, then PR makes a lot more sense.
It's a complicated question... really just depends on your particular dot's build, his position, and how he gets used in the offense.
Soft Hands
This player can catch anything. Each level of Soft Hands gives a +0.5% bonus to the catching attribute.
Sure Hands
When failing a catch pass check, the Sure Hands ability gives this player a second chance to retry the roll. Each level gives a +5% chance to allow the second roll.
Possession Receiver
This player catches short passes with ease. Each level of Possession Receiver gives a +2% bonus to making catches shorter than 8 yards, and a +2% bonus to resisting having the ball knocked loose by a tackle, when playing WR or TE.
First of all, if you don't already have a lot in Catching, then Soft Hands won't help you much since it's a +% bonus to whatever you already have in Catching. If you only have, like, 30 Catching, each point in Soft Hands is only gonna add 0.15 to Catching, so that makes it pretty useless.
If you have a receiving-build HB or FB, Possession Receiver is useless, since it only works if you're playing WR or TE.
Also depends on the types of routes your guy usually runs. If he only does long downfield streaks and never gets targeted up close, then Possession Receiver is useless. But if all he does is short crossing routes and never gets target downfield, then PR makes a lot more sense.
It's a complicated question... really just depends on your particular dot's build, his position, and how he gets used in the offense.
Originally posted by coreyls18
The only time id ever recommend Sure hands is in the low level leagues when you have basically no catching yet. But thats for basically one season, then reset and put in something else. Better off just ignoring it all together.
The problem is that it takes a good 40-something levels to get that first VA at 15. At worst, with catching as a 3rd attribute, you're going to be at what, 60?
The only time id ever recommend Sure hands is in the low level leagues when you have basically no catching yet. But thats for basically one season, then reset and put in something else. Better off just ignoring it all together.
The problem is that it takes a good 40-something levels to get that first VA at 15. At worst, with catching as a 3rd attribute, you're going to be at what, 60?
bhall43
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edited out that first part for misreading
But anyways. As everyone has said. Avoid Sure Hands.
The battle between Possession WR and Soft Hands is ultimately are you targeted 8 yards or less very often in games? For the most part WR's aren't targeted that close imo unless they are really slow or the OC uses an extensive amount of cross patterns (to which I personally find useless most of the time).
In the grand scheme for most OC's in GLB you are likely going to want Poss WR and Mr. Reliable though.
But anyways. As everyone has said. Avoid Sure Hands.
The battle between Possession WR and Soft Hands is ultimately are you targeted 8 yards or less very often in games? For the most part WR's aren't targeted that close imo unless they are really slow or the OC uses an extensive amount of cross patterns (to which I personally find useless most of the time).
In the grand scheme for most OC's in GLB you are likely going to want Poss WR and Mr. Reliable though.
Edited by bhall43 on Jun 10, 2013 16:09:27
coreyls18
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Originally posted by bhall43
Don't agree with this at all. That is when this VA is great.
How is soft hands so great if say the WR has say only 2nd cap. That only gives the WR a 65 in catching from a 61. Not much of a difference, when it can be sued elsewhere early on in like Mr. Reliable or even comeback kid or anything really.
Don't agree with this at all. That is when this VA is great.
How is soft hands so great if say the WR has say only 2nd cap. That only gives the WR a 65 in catching from a 61. Not much of a difference, when it can be sued elsewhere early on in like Mr. Reliable or even comeback kid or anything really.
bhall43
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oops I thought that said if you have a lot of catching. Sorry watching E3 so my mind is elsewhere.
Originally posted by coreyls18
How is soft hands so great if say the WR has say only 2nd cap. That only gives the WR a 65 in catching from a 61. Not much of a difference, when it can be sued elsewhere early on in like Mr. Reliable or even comeback kid or anything really.
To be fair, a lot of people are making catching their 2nd attribute nowadays (after speed)
How is soft hands so great if say the WR has say only 2nd cap. That only gives the WR a 65 in catching from a 61. Not much of a difference, when it can be sued elsewhere early on in like Mr. Reliable or even comeback kid or anything really.
To be fair, a lot of people are making catching their 2nd attribute nowadays (after speed)
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thanks for the responses. i have a TE so i think i am going with possession VA next.
Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
To be fair, a lot of people are making catching their 2nd attribute nowadays (after speed)
common sense just isn't that common anymore
To be fair, a lot of people are making catching their 2nd attribute nowadays (after speed)
common sense just isn't that common anymore
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Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
To be fair, a lot of people are making catching their 2nd attribute nowadays (after speed)
im one of those people.
To be fair, a lot of people are making catching their 2nd attribute nowadays (after speed)
im one of those people.
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