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Is there a tradeoff for agi to speed?

Would a 40spd:20 agi build be better than a 30:30?

Or if ppl want to say (too low to matter....)

How about a 150:80 compared to a 130:100 or a 90:90 (PHBs or soemthing)

This isn't restricted to just RBs, also includes FBs/RQBs/WRs/TEs etc

What aspect of agi/speed are you talking about?

Agility helps speed a little and acceleration a lot
Speed helps accel a little and speed a lot

Think less of it in terms of a ratio but instead as agility being a complimentary attribute to speed.

I'd always choose to get as much speed as I can because speed is going to be the big factor for your top speed and acceleration. You then want a healthy amount of agility. Agility's most important role is for minimizing speed loss when changing direction, imo.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
Agility's most important role is for minimizing speed loss when changing direction, imo.

Right,

but if I think of it as simply a complementary stat.

I am saying Won't a dot with 10spd and 40agi get "the job" done better than a 30:20.
("the job" is running a simple slant route)

Do you get what I am saying?

Are their pros and cons for keeping the speed to agi below 1? above 1? exactly 1?

No, the 10 speed dot would fail miserably because speed is THAT important of an attribute. You always want as much speed as you can get your hands on.

Speed and agility are not on equal footings.

Ah ok.

Understand I have no intention of making a 10spd 40 agi dot EVER,

I am just trying to understand, how much speed and agi go hand in hand.

The logical thinking side of me says, less speed needs less agi,
but is that actually true?

Higher agilty RQB is way more important than top speed

Originally posted by TheShaguar
What aspect of agi/speed are you talking about?

Agility helps speed a little and acceleration a lot
Speed helps accel a little and speed a lot

Myth, fwiw 1 spd accelerates you faster than 1 agility...

Originally posted by jampysos
Is there a tradeoff for agi to speed?

Would a 40spd:20 agi build be better than a 30:30?

Or if ppl want to say (too low to matter....)

How about a 150:80 compared to a 130:100 or a 90:90 (PHBs or soemthing)

This isn't restricted to just RBs, also includes FBs/RQBs/WRs/TEs etc

In general, people have beliefs about spd-agility ratios. 99% of these beliefs are bases on (a) what "looks good" on a build and (b) how high they can push spd as a primary and agi as a 2ndary with destroying their builds. Currently around 160 spd, 85 agi (give or take) is meta for best spd+agi combo. Again this is not based on anything game related. None of these same peole are trying 163-75, or 150-95, or 160-70 with more points in other things. They just think it looks cool and made up their own rules about what spd-agi ratios are optimal.

Originally posted by Thundercat_12
Higher agilty RQB is way more important than top speed

Highly disagree. Rushing QBs are basically speed + tackle breaking/fakes.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
Highly disagree. Rushing QBs are basically speed + tackle breaking/fakes.

Ya bud agi is spin+fakes ldo.

Originally posted by Thundercat_12
Higher agilty RQB is way more important than top speed

I think I am a believer of this as well,
after being extremely impressed with "Jan Kugo" for 3 seasons now.

Originally posted by InRomoWeTrust
Highly disagree. Rushing QBs are basically speed + tackle breaking/fakes.

Lol maybe you should watch some film. As a long time run first offense I know what I'm talkn about. With outside edges being covered so well by tagging its imperative for high agility to be elusive in the backfield and near the LOS so then the speed can kick in

Originally posted by jampysos
Ah ok.

Understand I have no intention of making a 10spd 40 agi dot EVER,

I am just trying to understand, how much speed and agi go hand in hand.

The logical thinking side of me says, less speed needs less agi,
but is that actually true?

If this helps;

Speed is all about the top speed a dot can go and how fast it gets there. Speed does little to help other skills of it's own right.

Agility is how hard a dot can turn without losing speed... or effects how much speed a dot looses for making a hard turn... and it assists in helping Speed get the dot back UP to speed once it loses speed. It also effects how quickly a dot can stop and re-start... and how quickly a dot can bounce back up from being knocked down... and helps avoid getting knocked down. It even helps other skills like catching and tackling.

Originally posted by jampysos
Ah ok.

Understand I have no intention of making a 10spd 40 agi dot EVER,

I am just trying to understand, how much speed and agi go hand in hand.

The logical thinking side of me says, less speed needs less agi,
but is that actually true?

Are you talking about building a Pee Wee dot or a WL dot?

What position are you building?

You can get away with less agility on some dots, but not others.

For a defender, the ratio with respect to coverage will be different than the ratio with respect to deflecting/attack a thrown ball, or a blitzing dot.

The advice you will get in here will improve if you tell us what you are specifically looking to build. There is no hard and fast rule that can be applied to every dot.