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It's come to my attention that quite a few non boosting teams who have done well in Regular Leagues have moved to Elite and struggled to win 1 game (completely bypassing the competitive tier in that process.) There are more rewarding teams in Competitive leagues who do boost and would provide better competition. Some of these non boosting teams and others who have bypassed Competitive would make for decent .500 teams at that level rather than providing no competition at all because they're out of their depth.

If you're going to have a league structure that lacks identity, at least do it right. A team can't just go straight from a Normal League (e.g Prep league #5) to University Elite the season after without playing at competitive level first. It's illogical.

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Silly to have all those non-boosters in elite.

I'm guessing this could be locked as something that isn't going to be changed...that being said here are my thoughts.

We should be promoting/demoting MORE teams but they shouldn't make as huge of jumps. The #9 seed from elite league 1 shouldn't demote down to the 3rd or 4th league for example. Also if you are in leagues #3 or #4 right now it looks like if you lose first round of the playoffs you dont get promoted...but if you win at least 1 game you get moved to the top league. To me it would make more sense to promote all (or most) of the playoff teams but only up 1 league and only promote the top teams (top 2 or 4) in the comp leagues into elite.

tl;dr version. Promote/demote more teams but not up/down as far.

It was my understanding before the cloud was implemented that teams weren't going to jump tiers. They would go non-Comp to Comp to Elite. At what point was this changed?

Originally posted by Dub J
It was my understanding before the cloud was implemented that teams weren't going to jump tiers. They would go non-Comp to Comp to Elite. At what point was this changed?



that was my understanding as well but I may have been wrong

This is literally 100% of the cause of competition issues.

Non-boosters jumping from non-Comp to Elite and/or owners selling back after their team is moved from non-Comp to Elite. Can't say I blame them. I wouldn't want to shell out money for a team that is placed in a league where I know they have no chance at being competitive.

speaking as an owner of a couple non-boosting leagues, we don't really expect to be able to compete in the normal GLB league, we're playing in underground leagues with other non-boosting leagues. I don't even game plan for 99% of the league games.

i agree with OP that the sorting and assignment of teams is bad, but not because it somehow ruins the experience of non-boosters--we should know we're not going to have the same experience as the pay-to-play owners/dot builders. But it also ruins their experience if half of their games are vs. sub-par teams when it needn't be that way.

I've always supported suggestions to look at EL and roster size, not just previous record, when sorting the leagues.

When age-based leagues were first being discussed Catch himself said that non-boosted teams would end up gradually trickling down to the bottom rungs. this has never happened. They go up and down just like everyone else.

Originally posted by Dub J
+1000000000000000

Silly to have all those non-boosters in elite.



Or teams that would just be average in Competitive

Like I said if GLB are going to implement a boring league structure that lacks identity, it should at least be used correctly. You should have to work your way up, not just jump tiers.

It's also an insult to teams who may finish 10-6 in Competitive for example and just about miss on promoting to Elite. Yet, a team from a Regular League where there could be 10 CPU Teams goes to Elite instead of them.

This current system is not fair and is problematic. Use the tiers correctly and these issues will be resolved.

Originally posted by bigtisme
I'm guessing this could be locked as something that isn't going to be changed...that being said here are my thoughts.

We should be promoting/demoting MORE teams but they shouldn't make as huge of jumps. The #9 seed from elite league 1 shouldn't demote down to the 3rd or 4th league for example. Also if you are in leagues #3 or #4 right now it looks like if you lose first round of the playoffs you dont get promoted...but if you win at least 1 game you get moved to the top league. To me it would make more sense to promote all (or most) of the playoff teams but only up 1 league and only promote the top teams (top 2 or 4) in the comp leagues into elite.

tl;dr version. Promote/demote more teams but not up/down as far.

It's not a change to the league structure, it's a suggestion that the league structure should be used correctly to ensure that teams are put in the correct level so the Elite tier is as competitive as possible as well as avoiding non boosting teams and others that are out of their depth getting their asses handed to them because they didn't get a chance to play at their own level (in competitive perhaps.)

Originally posted by fogie55
speaking as an owner of a couple non-boosting leagues, we don't really expect to be able to compete in the normal GLB league, we're playing in underground leagues with other non-boosting leagues. I don't even game plan for 99% of the league games.

i agree with OP that the sorting and assignment of teams is bad, but not because it somehow ruins the experience of non-boosters--we should know we're not going to have the same experience as the pay-to-play owners/dot builders. But it also ruins their experience if half of their games are vs. sub-par teams when it needn't be that way.

I've always supported suggestions to look at EL and roster size, not just previous record, when sorting the leagues.

When age-based leagues were first being discussed Catch himself said that non-boosted teams would end up gradually trickling down to the bottom rungs. this has never happened. They go up and down just like everyone else.

Implementing the league structure correctly will increase competitiveness at all tiers, and enhance the experience for all owners.

I spent several seasons in a row banging my head repeatedly into the brick wall that is Catch and Bort's lack of concern for competitive balance in leagues. They don't care.

I offered to help manually re-sort leagues on my own time for FREE during the off-season. They said "No thanks."

This is Not Going To Happen. All they care about for promotion and demotion is "Can we automate it and kinda-sorta get it half-right?" They reached that point, said "Close enough," brushed their hands off and walked away.

Originally posted by Novus
I spent several seasons in a row banging my head repeatedly into the brick wall that is Catch and Bort's lack of concern for competitive balance in leagues. They don't care.

I offered to help manually re-sort leagues on my own time for FREE during the off-season. They said "No thanks."

This is Not Going To Happen. All they care about for promotion and demotion is "Can we automate it and kinda-sorta get it half-right?" They reached that point, said "Close enough," brushed their hands off and walked away.

Well if this doesn't happen it really does speak volumes regarding how in touch they are with the game and its current state. They should stick by the league structure that THEY implemented (against many people's requests for regions) and use it correctly to ensure that the leagues are as competitive as they can be. It's not all about the World League, they need to think about lower down the ladder as well.

Originally posted by English Pats Fan
Well if this doesn't happen it really does speak volumes regarding how in touch they are with the game and its current state. They should stick by the league structure that THEY implemented (against many people's requests for regions) and use it correctly to ensure that the leagues are as competitive as they can be. It's not all about the World League, they need to think about lower down the ladder as well.

They have other priorities. *shrug* Anything that they can "set and forget," they do, so they can spend time on other stuff. Problem is, some things really shouldn't be automated even though they can be automated. And other things can be automated, but also need some human oversight for idiot-checking purposes.

I'll give them this... the current league structure and promotion system doesn't suck as badly as the previous system.

But that's like saying that 3-day-old sweaty gym socks don't smell as bad as 2-week-old rancid meat. Still stinks.