When quad-training, when is it acceptable to stop training the original attribute for your build? Once you've 6/7 capped? Higher? Lower? I haven't seen any guides on this so I was curious as to when it might become a detriment to my build by continuing to train an attribute that's already been 6/7 capped.
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Waiting until you hit 100 can leave you with wasted training or force you to train over 100 to get the next rollover. When I get in the 96-97 range, I like to try to project what % toward the next point I have when I hit 100 to decide when to stop. The VPB greasemonkey script helps with that. My goal is to stop one rollover early at 95+% unless I will be 80+% when I hit 100. Thus, I will usually stop training in the 97-98 range.
Perhaps I am just anal tho, but I hate seeing an attribute with 30% training left at end build.
Perhaps I am just anal tho, but I hate seeing an attribute with 30% training left at end build.
Originally posted by tdm13
Oh, maybe I was ambiguous in my question. What I meant was this: when should I stop training an attribute? When it hits 81 natural? 84 natural?
Edit: or maybe I'm just an idiot. It's 50/50!
I suppose it depends upon your goals and how you do your training. When you say first attribute, most people think of your primary one, and that is why we answered near or at 100. Training above 80 is very efficient from a SP point of view and will allow you to get your primary attribute over 100 natural. If you do not train your primary over 80, you will not get it as high and will probably find your player 5-10 points slower (if they are a speed position) or weaker (if they are a strength position) than the best dots out there.
Oh, maybe I was ambiguous in my question. What I meant was this: when should I stop training an attribute? When it hits 81 natural? 84 natural?
Edit: or maybe I'm just an idiot. It's 50/50!
I suppose it depends upon your goals and how you do your training. When you say first attribute, most people think of your primary one, and that is why we answered near or at 100. Training above 80 is very efficient from a SP point of view and will allow you to get your primary attribute over 100 natural. If you do not train your primary over 80, you will not get it as high and will probably find your player 5-10 points slower (if they are a speed position) or weaker (if they are a strength position) than the best dots out there.
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I know my thinking is wrong but have to ask anyways:
Is it truly worth training that high? Reason I ask is it may take an entire season or longer to raise your speed 1 point. My multi training gets me 10% right now on speed as it is at 85.50. That means it would take 10 training sessions to raise it from 85.50 to 86.50 (ignoring ALG's for this example). Training every 4 days means it would take 40 days (entire season) to raise it by 1.
Wouldn't you get much more out of an entire seasons training on something else?
I know I am wrong......just need someone to put it in simpler terms for me to understand
Is it truly worth training that high? Reason I ask is it may take an entire season or longer to raise your speed 1 point. My multi training gets me 10% right now on speed as it is at 85.50. That means it would take 10 training sessions to raise it from 85.50 to 86.50 (ignoring ALG's for this example). Training every 4 days means it would take 40 days (entire season) to raise it by 1.
Wouldn't you get much more out of an entire seasons training on something else?
I know I am wrong......just need someone to put it in simpler terms for me to understand
Edited by whodey08 on Sep 18, 2012 11:55:37
Originally posted by whodey08
I know my thinking is wrong but have to ask anyways:
Is it truly worth training that high? Reason I ask is it may take an entire season to raise your speed 1 point. My multi training gets me 10% right now on speed as it is at 85.50. That means it would take 10 training sessions to raise it from 85.50 to 86.50 (ignoring ALG's for this example). Training every 4 days means it would take 40 days (entire season) to raise it by 1.
Wouldn't you get much more out of an entire seasons training on something else?
I know I am wrong......just need someone to put it in simpler terms for me to understand
The same thing could be asked about spending 8 points on a primary. You could get 4 times as much of a secondary for the same SP. Isn't it better to do that?
The reality is that a couple of points of speed > 10 points of Confidence (or some other crap secondary)
I know my thinking is wrong but have to ask anyways:
Is it truly worth training that high? Reason I ask is it may take an entire season to raise your speed 1 point. My multi training gets me 10% right now on speed as it is at 85.50. That means it would take 10 training sessions to raise it from 85.50 to 86.50 (ignoring ALG's for this example). Training every 4 days means it would take 40 days (entire season) to raise it by 1.
Wouldn't you get much more out of an entire seasons training on something else?
I know I am wrong......just need someone to put it in simpler terms for me to understand
The same thing could be asked about spending 8 points on a primary. You could get 4 times as much of a secondary for the same SP. Isn't it better to do that?
The reality is that a couple of points of speed > 10 points of Confidence (or some other crap secondary)
Originally posted by whodey08
I know my thinking is wrong but have to ask anyways:
Is it truly worth training that high? Reason I ask is it may take an entire season to raise your speed 1 point. My multi training gets me 10% right now on speed as it is at 85.50. That means it would take 10 training sessions to raise it from 85.50 to 86.50 (ignoring ALG's for this example). Training every 4 days means it would take 40 days (entire season) to raise it by 1.
Wouldn't you get much more out of an entire seasons training on something else?
I know I am wrong......just need someone to put it in simpler terms for me to understand
Because you will run out of stuff to train.
I know my thinking is wrong but have to ask anyways:
Is it truly worth training that high? Reason I ask is it may take an entire season to raise your speed 1 point. My multi training gets me 10% right now on speed as it is at 85.50. That means it would take 10 training sessions to raise it from 85.50 to 86.50 (ignoring ALG's for this example). Training every 4 days means it would take 40 days (entire season) to raise it by 1.
Wouldn't you get much more out of an entire seasons training on something else?
I know I am wrong......just need someone to put it in simpler terms for me to understand
Because you will run out of stuff to train.
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I understand its worth it versus worrying about confidence or something like that. But lets say you have a HB where you need so many things like speed,agility,carrying,strength,vision, and confidence that an entire seasons training could go to catching for your HB versus raising your speed by 1 point though.
Just trying to wrap my head around giving up an entire season (or longer) to raise an attribute by 1.
Just trying to wrap my head around giving up an entire season (or longer) to raise an attribute by 1.
Edited by whodey08 on Sep 18, 2012 12:04:03
Originally posted by whodey08
I understand its worth it versus worrying about confidence or something like that. But lets say you have a HB where you need so many things like speed,agility,carrying,strength,vision, and confidence that an entire seasons training could go to catching for your HB versus raising your speed by 1 point though.
I think there are times that what you describe is not a bad idea. I simmed a CB once that I chose to stop multi-training Speed one rollover earlier than normal (thus giving up 1 Speed) and picked up enough Tackling or Jumping to make it feel like a good trade. However, if I had chosen to not even multi-train Speed over 80 at all, I would have had to give up 3 or 4 Speed, and I am not willing to do that.
I understand its worth it versus worrying about confidence or something like that. But lets say you have a HB where you need so many things like speed,agility,carrying,strength,vision, and confidence that an entire seasons training could go to catching for your HB versus raising your speed by 1 point though.
I think there are times that what you describe is not a bad idea. I simmed a CB once that I chose to stop multi-training Speed one rollover earlier than normal (thus giving up 1 Speed) and picked up enough Tackling or Jumping to make it feel like a good trade. However, if I had chosen to not even multi-train Speed over 80 at all, I would have had to give up 3 or 4 Speed, and I am not willing to do that.
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So its kind of back to the "depends which position and what you want" type of thing. I suck at that type of thing
Originally posted by whodey08
Just trying to wrap my head around giving up an entire season (or longer) to raise an attribute by 1.
You can't look at it in a vacuum. Player building is about choices...giving up something to get something else. What are you getting in exchange for 1 more point in your primary? How many times at the end of the build have you had SPs and wished you could buy a point or two of a primary but it would cost too much so you just dump them into something that you are not sure even helps (SA or secondary)?
Just trying to wrap my head around giving up an entire season (or longer) to raise an attribute by 1.
You can't look at it in a vacuum. Player building is about choices...giving up something to get something else. What are you getting in exchange for 1 more point in your primary? How many times at the end of the build have you had SPs and wished you could buy a point or two of a primary but it would cost too much so you just dump them into something that you are not sure even helps (SA or secondary)?
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