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Should I stop putting SPs till it hits 69 cap or is it more than that?

er...what level are you at and what algs remain?

Endgame you would want at LEAST 80 confidence...but I would want more.

Originally posted by crawlins
Endgame you would want at LEAST 80 confidence...but I would want more.

People said that all last season and Catch22 released a test study that showed the difference between a QB with 50 confidence and a QB with 100 confidence was minimal which is why they made a change to confidence this season. But who knows how much a change was made.....60 confidence might work just as good as 80. Its a gamble but imagine the skill points saved to go to other attributes and if that causes you to get a few extra bad passes a game so be it in my opinion. The gains you would get in your SA's and be able to take other attributes higher would be worth a few extra bad passes.

Only time will tell.

so stop putting SPs in on the 80-81 cap, or is there a stationed cap that you stop and allow natural EXP points to take effect to get to 80-81? Also,I haven't started my Deep Passer Archetype Build which is why I'm asking before hand.

Originally posted by Tribal Warfare
so stop putting SPs in on the 80-81 cap, or is there a stationed cap that you stop and allow natural EXP points to take effect to get to 80-81? Also,I haven't started my Deep Passer Archetype Build which is why I'm asking before hand.

Your not going to want to start that build til day 40 of this season then.

I just found this build was open and is what you are shooting for. This is not a deep passer, but it is the prototype of passer you are trying to get to.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=2295134

Some have been talking about stopping at the 78 cap so what is the consensus on that stopping point?

Originally posted by Tribal Warfare
Some have been talking about stopping at the 78 cap so what is the consensus on that stopping point?

There really is no consensus. You could ask the top 10 QB's in WL and probably get 10 different answers.

Originally posted by whodey08
People said that all last season and Catch22 released a test study that showed the difference between a QB with 50 confidence and a QB with 100 confidence was minimal which is why they made a change to confidence this season. But who knows how much a change was made.....60 confidence might work just as good as 80. Its a gamble but imagine the skill points saved to go to other attributes and if that causes you to get a few extra bad passes a game so be it in my opinion. The gains you would get in your SA's and be able to take other attributes higher would be worth a few extra bad passes.

Only time will tell.


I ran this study on the test server. Confidence is a joke on bad passes.

Originally posted by Sabataged
I ran this study on the test server. Confidence is a joke on bad passes.

So are you saying higher confidence like 80-90 is needed or are you saying you can get by with 50 to 60 confidence?

Originally posted by whodey08
So are you saying higher confidence like 80-90 is needed or are you saying you can get by with 50 to 60 confidence?

I am saying that there was absolutely no statistical difference with a QB that has 50 or a QB that has a 100. This study was done after Bort's initial change. Now what I do not know is if he made additional changes after my study. I did not read anywhere that he did so if it was me I would not make confidence a priority. I know that Bort wants Confidence to be a big factor for bad passes so odds are he will increase the effect in the future. Still I would make Confidence the 4th QB Attribute for sure.

Originally posted by Sabataged
I am saying that there was absolutely no statistical difference with a QB that has 50 or a QB that has a 100. This study was done after Bort's initial change. Now what I do not know is if he made additional changes after my study. I did not read anywhere that he did so if it was me I would not make confidence a priority. I know that Bort wants Confidence to be a big factor for bad passes so odds are he will increase the effect in the future. Still I would make Confidence the 4th QB Attribute for sure.
Great to know. I used to insist that confidence had no significant mitigating factor for turnover prevention back when the response to 10+ turnover games was "moar confidence!!!" Your study doesn't prove that, but it does suggest that confidence isn't producing the effects desired.

Originally posted by Catch22

With 100 Confidence:
Game #1 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6034 (109, 11, 13, 6)
Game #2 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6035 (85, 2, 4, 2)
Game #3 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6036 (105, 7 ,20, 4)
Game #4 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6037 (108, 14, 26, 12)
Game #5 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6039 (105, 13, 18, 5)

# of passes attempted - 512
# of bad throws - 47 (9.18%)
# of times hurried - 81 (15.82%)
# of times bad throw was caused by hurry - 29 (5.66%)


With 75 Confidence:
Game #1 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6053 (109, 8, 18, 5)
Game #2 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6060 (113, 18, 22, 16)
Game #3 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6061 (109, 11, 21, 9)
Game #4 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6062 (105, 5, 15, 3)
Game #5 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6066 (108, 17, 22, 11)

# of passes attempted - 544
# of bad throws - 59 (10.85%)
# of times hurried - 98 (18.01%)
# of times bad throw was caused by hurry - 45 (8.27%)

With 50 Confidence:
Game #1 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6087 (110, 9 , 17, 6)
Game #2 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6088 (87, 22, 34, 20)
Game #3 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6089 (112, 9 , 22, 7)
Game #4 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6090 (70, 7, 23, 6)
Game #5 - http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=6091 (98, 6, 17, 6)

# of passes attempted - 477
# of bad throws - 53 (11.11%)
# of times hurried - 113 (23.69%)
# of times bad throw was caused by hurry - 45 (9.43%)

Conclusion - I ran these games with the same offensive AI and same base defensive AI. As you can see I do not feel there is much of a noticeable difference from 100 confidence to 50 confidence.

So is this study still valid?

Originally posted by whodey08
So is this study still valid?

That is the study I did on the test server after Bort implemented the changes for QB Confidence affecting bad passes.