If so, how much?
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pretty sure its str, carrying and agility that play a big part in BT, not 100% sure though.
no idea how much, sorry im useless.
no idea how much, sorry im useless.
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Originally posted by GimmeDaCheez
If so, how much?
Agility is the single greatest component to getting the Spin SA to fire. As this is the single best break tackle SA for high agility players, it helps immensely (albeit indirectly). It does not, as far as I know, contribute to the base break tackle roll though.
If so, how much?
Agility is the single greatest component to getting the Spin SA to fire. As this is the single best break tackle SA for high agility players, it helps immensely (albeit indirectly). It does not, as far as I know, contribute to the base break tackle roll though.
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From a Bort Q&A, 7.29.11:
"Strength/Agility/Carrying go into the general roll for tackle avoidance or breaking, regardless of the SA that gets added to it"
Sounds like agility adds at least slightly to the base roll for a broken tackle as well. My guess would be the base roll looks like STR > CAR > AGL > (JMP), with jump only effecting dive tackle rolls.
"Strength/Agility/Carrying go into the general roll for tackle avoidance or breaking, regardless of the SA that gets added to it"
Sounds like agility adds at least slightly to the base roll for a broken tackle as well. My guess would be the base roll looks like STR > CAR > AGL > (JMP), with jump only effecting dive tackle rolls.
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Originally posted by GimmeDaCheez
Don't forget confidence. It affects break tackle roll, at least a little bit.
No, I don't think it does. Lower confidence will mean lower morale which in turn might mean a penalty to str, car and agi, but con directly does not factor into the roll.
Don't forget confidence. It affects break tackle roll, at least a little bit.
No, I don't think it does. Lower confidence will mean lower morale which in turn might mean a penalty to str, car and agi, but con directly does not factor into the roll.
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Yep, good call - I'm guessing it's very minor compared to the others ... but here's Bort on 10.01.11:
"It does go into a bunch of stuff in varying degrees, such as: - It helps avoid morale reducing SA's - It can help recover more quickly and not fall down when your block is broken - It can help you avoid being pancaked when losing the blocking battle - Helps you catch or deflect passes (or hinders you if low) on 3rd/4th down - Helps you tackle and break tackles successfully - Helps keep you from fumbling on a big hit Plus all the morale stuff. Basically if you think of a situation in which it would be helpful to not be a scared weenie, it's probably at least a minor factor."
"It does go into a bunch of stuff in varying degrees, such as: - It helps avoid morale reducing SA's - It can help recover more quickly and not fall down when your block is broken - It can help you avoid being pancaked when losing the blocking battle - Helps you catch or deflect passes (or hinders you if low) on 3rd/4th down - Helps you tackle and break tackles successfully - Helps keep you from fumbling on a big hit Plus all the morale stuff. Basically if you think of a situation in which it would be helpful to not be a scared weenie, it's probably at least a minor factor."
Originally posted by Hagalaz
No, I don't think it does. Lower confidence will mean lower morale which in turn might mean a penalty to str, car and agi, but con directly does not factor into the roll.
Wrong.
Originally posted by Gambler75
Yep, good call - I'm guessing it's very minor compared to the others ... but here's Bort on 10.01.11:
"It does go into a bunch of stuff in varying degrees, such as: - It helps avoid morale reducing SA's - It can help recover more quickly and not fall down when your block is broken - It can help you avoid being pancaked when losing the blocking battle - Helps you catch or deflect passes (or hinders you if low) on 3rd/4th down - Helps you tackle and break tackles successfully - Helps keep you from fumbling on a big hit Plus all the morale stuff. Basically if you think of a situation in which it would be helpful to not be a scared weenie, it's probably at least a minor factor."
No, I don't think it does. Lower confidence will mean lower morale which in turn might mean a penalty to str, car and agi, but con directly does not factor into the roll.
Wrong.
Originally posted by Gambler75
Yep, good call - I'm guessing it's very minor compared to the others ... but here's Bort on 10.01.11:
"It does go into a bunch of stuff in varying degrees, such as: - It helps avoid morale reducing SA's - It can help recover more quickly and not fall down when your block is broken - It can help you avoid being pancaked when losing the blocking battle - Helps you catch or deflect passes (or hinders you if low) on 3rd/4th down - Helps you tackle and break tackles successfully - Helps keep you from fumbling on a big hit Plus all the morale stuff. Basically if you think of a situation in which it would be helpful to not be a scared weenie, it's probably at least a minor factor."
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Strength & Carrying are the only two major attributes in the break tackle roll, but evidently agility, vision, and confidence all play a small role in it as well. Bort seems to have designed the sim to include most attributes in everything, it's just a question of which ones have a large effect versus a very small one.
GimmeDaCheez
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Originally posted by jdbolick
Strength & Carrying are the only two major attributes in the break tackle roll, but evidently agility, vision, and confidence all play a small role in it as well. Bort seems to have designed the sim to include most attributes in everything, it's just a question of which ones have a large effect versus a very small one.
JD, what do you think the ratio of importance is with those 2 main attributes? 1:1 maybe? Equal importance?
Strength & Carrying are the only two major attributes in the break tackle roll, but evidently agility, vision, and confidence all play a small role in it as well. Bort seems to have designed the sim to include most attributes in everything, it's just a question of which ones have a large effect versus a very small one.
JD, what do you think the ratio of importance is with those 2 main attributes? 1:1 maybe? Equal importance?
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Originally posted by GimmeDaCheez
JD, what do you think the ratio of importance is with those 2 main attributes? 1:1 maybe? Equal importance?
No one knows and Bort will never release that info.
JD, what do you think the ratio of importance is with those 2 main attributes? 1:1 maybe? Equal importance?
No one knows and Bort will never release that info.
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Probably 1:1, but strength has the added bonus of being the primary attribute for Power Through, which is the most powerful break tackle SA.
Strength is definitely more important in the break tackle roll.
Build two dots, one with strength as the first attribute you raise and one with carrying.
Build two dots, one with strength as the first attribute you raise and one with carrying.
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Originally posted by Mat McBriar
Strength is definitely more important in the break tackle roll.
Build two dots, one with strength as the first attribute you raise and one with carrying.
It's been done, and sometimes the guy with higher carrying is better at breaking tackles. You don't know that strength is "definitely" more important, that's just what you believe, but you also have advocated going agility first on a power back.
Strength is definitely more important in the break tackle roll.
Build two dots, one with strength as the first attribute you raise and one with carrying.
It's been done, and sometimes the guy with higher carrying is better at breaking tackles. You don't know that strength is "definitely" more important, that's just what you believe, but you also have advocated going agility first on a power back.
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