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From the Q&A
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4946982&page=3#45860163

Originally posted by Mike Rogers
Any firm thoughts on contracting Nat Pro, or a hemisphere idea to increase competition in those leagues.

Originally posted by Bort
Have not discussed it recently. Perhaps resurrect/recreate the suggestion thread for more discussion as it relates to now?

I didn't see anyone else pick up on this, so I'm re-creating this suggestion.

To me, the lack of competitiveness in the Pros is the single biggest problem in the game right now.

Competition = fun game
Blowouts = no fun

The disparity among National Pro teams is just too much, so the vast majority of games are noncompetitive blowouts. It becomes a huge waste of time to recruit, get the VAs set up, test the AI and get your plays tested, and then have maybe 2 or 3 competitive games for the entire season. And even those 2 or 3 competitive games don't matter for the top teams because getting into the playoffs is guaranteed. So you can just put it on autopilot for the entire season, win 14-16 games, and then care for 2 or 3 games in the playoffs. While the rest of the teams have no chance. So it just makes everyone not care, the forums die, and everyone is bored. Seasons in the Pros are just biding/wasting time waiting to try to get back into WL for the good teams, and knowing there's no hope of winning for the medium/bad teams.

I don't know exactly how to fix it, but the gap between WL and the Nat Pros is too big, so if you made two Hemisphere leagues or something, with the top Pro teams that don't get into WL consolidated into another level between WL and the Nat Pros that can be more competitive, I think it would make it more fun for those teams to have more competitive games, and more fun for the mediocre Nat Pro teams to have a hope of winning.

And I know it would be a challenge to properly place all the teams and you'll always have some that are overpowered or underpowered for their league, but I know it can be a lot better than it is right now.

Edit:

Here's Catch's previous thread on the subject .....http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4542784

which also has Jdbolick's original post merged into it ...http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4542784&page=20

Those discussions were like March 2011, quite a while ago, and issue still remains as much as ever...

agree... where is jbolicks thread?

First off yeah bump the older thread it had a lot of info and views in there that might be useful. Not to diss yours. Even if you CnPasted the framework here it would save time.

As for the idea, I hated it then because it reduces the number of teams/players in the upper league of the game which I thought would alienate too many players. I still think that. But I will concede that the player base decline since then makes it a much much more palatable idea than it did then. Like it or not, might be necessary now.

That said, here are other ideas which I think would be alternatives.

1) Decrease the performance range across all skills and attributes and the effect of SAs VAs etc. Rather than the fastest dot in the game being 20 steps a minute faster than a 100 speed dot, make him only 10 steps faster (just to make up an example), etc etc etc across the board. This would make more realism and sense (no girl scouts on the field with All Pros) and it would make for greater competition while still allowing your build to matter.

2) Get rid of World League and merge those teams and dots into the National Pros. Make WL a 16 team World Championship Tourney that runs from Day 41 to Day 44 each season (with contracts running through day 44) instead. This puts more quality players into the top tier of play improving competition for all.

3) Halve the price of boosting dots. Economics and common sense dictates that this will result inpeople building more dots. More dots, more teams with quality rosters, better competition. It may also keep more people in, and attract more people to, the game, for even more dot population.

4) Reduce the impact of morale by 50%, maybe even 90%. Same same chemistry. Things that punish the weak teams needlessly serve no purpose other than to ruin competition.

yeah if someone can link the old thread that's great. this is not a new idea. the problem is seasons old. but as bad as ever now. the league structure doesn't work. those are all good ideas to improve it. esp 3 and 4 (altho 4 is a long term solution, whereas other things can help right away).

I don't know if I like getting rid of the WL tho, as that is one place where there's real competition every game. It's just that the next tier is far too broad for the number of quality dots/teams to fill.

Well then National Pro leagues would become a joke. You just need to have 6 Pro leagues . That gets rid of 32 teams in the national league right now. I see that as at lease a huge step in the right direction.

If you still want a hemisphere. Have 4 National Pro leagues. And 2 Hemispheres. National Football League and the American Football league.

Or only have 4 National Pro Leagues.

I like 4 Natty Pro leagues

Take the 16 playoff teams and merge the the leagues

1(US+CPL)

2(WEPL+EEPL)

3(SEAPL+OPL)

4(SLAP+APL)

Bottom 2 from Each conference Demote, top 2 from each league promote

WL only demotes the bottom 4 instead of the bottom 8 from each conference

EDIT
I would also promote teams from Elite Regional Pro to Pro only. (16 teams Demote 16 playoff teams from Elite Regional Pro are promoted)

The lack of competition in the Pro leagues is what has killed the interest in GLB. Teams go from fighting every two days in the WL, to not even looking at anything until the playoffs. I like this suggestion, but it may be too late for many old timers who have already left or are just riding out their flex

Originally posted by yello1

That said, here are other ideas which I think would be alternatives.

1) Decrease the performance range across all skills and attributes and the effect of SAs VAs etc. Rather than the fastest dot in the game being 20 steps a minute faster than a 100 speed dot, make him only 10 steps faster (just to make up an example), etc etc etc across the board. This would make more realism and sense (no girl scouts on the field with All Pros) and it would make for greater competition while still allowing your build to matter.

No way to this. Higher Attribute means people use more SP to stack that, and you want to make them not worth that?
What are you thinking about man?

Originally posted by yello1

2) Get rid of World League and merge those teams and dots into the National Pros. Make WL a 16 team World Championship Tourney that runs from Day 41 to Day 44 each season (with contracts running through day 44) instead. This puts more quality players into the top tier of play improving competition for all.

You make people have half time to game plan, and you want to see more competition?
Bad idea man.
I don't know why people hate WL, but it's not WL make Nas Pro no competition, it's just not enough quality coordinator.
Get rid of WL won't generate more quality coordinator, there will be the same group fight each other.

Originally posted by yello1

3) Halve the price of boosting dots. Economics and common sense dictates that this will result inpeople building more dots. More dots, more teams with quality rosters, better competition. It may also keep more people in, and attract more people to, the game, for even more dot population.

NGTH

Originally posted by yello1

4) Reduce the impact of morale by 50%, maybe even 90%. Same same chemistry. Things that punish the weak teams needlessly serve no purpose other than to ruin competition.

Now morale related SA and VA is like garbage, and you still want reduce their impact...........

its a coordinator problem, plain and simple. ask anyone who's been in WL and they will tell you it's an eye opening experience - eventually you learn how to truly play the game. it only becomes a dot problem on those teams that continually yo-yo up and down from WL and their Pro region.

you get better at coordinating by constant practice against quality opponents where the outcomes matter. the "make the playoffs or demote" is one of the best aspects of WL. though i admit it's also cuz everyone knows what a season in Pro is like

i like the 4 Pro League setup; each conf as an old Pro league. try to replicate the win or else situation in WL with the promotion/demotion system as best as possible. ideally more cares leads to more forum activity.

however, at this point, i don't think this is the magic solution. if implemented it will take some time to see results that are good for the game. should it happen for S30 you are still going to see your network teams fighting at the top. i don't think there are enough teams to fill 4 pro leagues that make any of the network teams have to try in the regular season. the idea is, eventually, over time all those other teams get better and better at playing the game.

+1

WL (32 teams)
4 Nat Pro (current 8 regions become conferences... 128 teams)
Reg Pro Cloud

- Continue to demote 16 teams from WL (no reason to change this)
- Continue to demote 32 teams from Nat Pro (4 teams instead of 2 demote from each conference)
- Only promote teams from Reg Pro Elite to Nat Pro

We need more Pro leagues, more PW copper leagues, and more Reg Pro leagues if they are going to keep the stupid higher level D-leagues around.

+1

1 WL
Bottom 8 in each conference demote down to hemisphere leagues. (16 total)

2 Hemisphere leagues
Top 4 in each conference promote to WL (16 total)
Non-Playoff teams demote to Nat Pro (32 total)

4 Pro Leagues
Top 4 in each conference promote to hemisphere leagues (32 total)
Work demotion to regional pro as you see fit.

Win or demote. That's what everyone wants right?