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In the last series of games in the WL, there were only 15 sacks out of a 4 man defensive front, but the sack by the DE was only made 3 times during those 15.

That's 20% of the time.

Now looking at the Bucs, who run a 4-3 and had the lowest sack numbers in the nfl, their leading sack getter was their DE, he got 7.5 sacks in 16 games.

That's 46% of the time.


Now the DE who leads the NFL in sacks was Jared Allen who got 22 sacks in 16 games. That is 138%.

The average number of sacks by DEs who rank in top 20 for most sacks is 12.7 sacks a season. Which comes to 79.3%

See there is a huge difference. 4-3 DEs need more penetration, I suggest they get a boost.


INB4 glb is not NFL

They wanted realism, this isn't realism.

My son's pee wee DEs get more sacks than glb DEs

The line is sensitive, though. Everyone wants their DE to be Jared Allen and frankly, at the WL level on a top team, they will have a set of elite DEs. Finding a healthy medium is easier said than done.

Originally posted by Mat McBriar
The line is sensitive, though. Everyone wants their DE to be Jared Allen and frankly, at the WL level on a top team, they will have a set of elite DEs. Finding a healthy medium is easier said than done.

Everyone wants their dot to be the greatest. Nobody says I want to build a mediocre dot. I agree the balance is hard, but it's too low right now.

In even matched games, with 4 linemen, DEs should be able to get penetration and I just don't see it happen enough.

And bull rushing isn't even close to working in my opinion.

Originally posted by Robbnva
And bull rushing isn't even close to working in my opinion.

Let's see a dot build that you think should be able to bull rush effectively every play against the best O-Lineman in GLB?

Originally posted by Robbnva
In the last series of games in the WL, there were only 15 sacks out of a 4 man defensive front, but the sack by the DE was only made 3 times during those 15.

That's 20% of the time.

Now looking at the Bucs, who run a 4-3 and had the lowest sack numbers in the nfl, their leading sack getter was their DE, he got 7.5 sacks in 16 games.

That's 46% of the time.


Now the DE who leads the NFL in sacks was Jared Allen who got 22 sacks in 16 games. That is 138%.

The average number of sacks by DEs who rank in top 20 for most sacks is 12.7 sacks a season. Which comes to 79.3%

See there is a huge difference. 4-3 DEs need more penetration, I suggest they get a boost.


INB4 glb is not NFL

They wanted realism, this isn't realism.

My son's pee wee DEs get more sacks than glb DEs

Wait so if you rush 4 guys against a 5 man OLine Dmen aren't able to get pressure? I'd say it's working as intended...

Originally posted by Pwned
Let's see a dot build that you think should be able to bull rush effectively every play against the best O-Lineman in GLB?

155ish strength for starters.

Originally posted by slashxtreme
Wait so if you rush 4 guys against a 5 man OLine Dmen aren't able to get pressure? I'd say it's working as intended...


Every time? No. But you see 4 v 5 get pressure and sacks.

This response from you is an obvious troll response cause there is no way you think 4 DL should fail 100% of the time. If you beleive that, you don't know football.

Originally posted by slashxtreme
Wait so if you rush 4 guys against a 5 man OLine Dmen aren't able to get pressure? I'd say it's working as intended...


i'd disagree.

Originally posted by Billyd86
i'd disagree.

Anyone who knows football would.

Originally posted by Billyd86
i'd disagree.

How many times a game does a 4 man rush dropping 8 work in the NFL? Not many.. In college elite rushers can beat average or young OT's. The name of the game is to bring pressure from other spots LBers /Safeties. Either a blitz or the threat of a blitz that doesn't come is what causes pressure and sacks in the NFL. It rarely happens. Should it fail 100% of the time, absolutely not and I'm not certain it does...

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1957786&pbp_id=3264473 See it happens still... (inb4lolcasual)

Originally posted by Robbnva
155ish strength for starters.



yeah but remember this game is about your attributes combining to make basically a rushing roll (score) with an underlying distribution. Most Olinemen have 160-170 strength at the top levels

Originally posted by Robbnva
155ish strength for starters.



And how much agility and speed?
A large portion of an effective bull rush is agility in speed if we were to try and estimate an effective NFL bullrush using only GLB stats.

You can have 155 Strength, but if you've only got 80 speed it's not much of a bull rush, just more of a shoving match.
And if you don't have the agility to accelerate enough to get the initial push back started it's not an effective power pass rush either.

I DON"T think 155 strength would accurately represent an NFL bull rush at all.

I think we're looking for
135 Strength
110 Speed
100 agility

With high First Step, Strong Base, and Shed Blocks, Along with Tunnel Vision and Change Direction.

Super High Strength is really just good for Run Stuffing in GLB, without adjacent Agility or Speed you can't get an effective power pass rush IMO. I don't want those 160 strength, 80 speed 80 agility guys getting much penetration, they're built o stop the run, not rush the passer, and in real life these kinds of players would be the ones used to block up running lanes as they are good at holding their ground, but not so good at pushing others back because I think they lack the speed and agility to get going faster.

And also consider that a good portion of the power pass rush comes from Leg Strength and the ability to get low, get under the O-linemen's hands, and get moving forward. Now the strength attribute isn't split up into leg strength, or upper body strength. And when you look at what a lot of the functions of leg strength are you'll see that they are covered by agility, so we must assume that for the most part our dot's leg strength is covered by the agility attribute.

Things like accelerating, decelerating, changing direction while running, these are all agility. Getting low, turning the corner on a linemen, getting under a linemen's hands... these too are also agility.

I also agree that a 4 man D-line should be able to get pressure against a 5 man Oline... but I think your expectations of what kinds of builds should be able to do this is just wrong. You're right in the idea... but your execution of the idea is wrong. GLB doesn't need to change the code at all. I see numerous times when dots built the way they should be get pressure on a power pass rush.

All of these dots are on power pass rush tactic
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1956426&pbp_id=5176230
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1956426&pbp_id=5178301
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1982227&pbp_id=218336
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1946242&pbp_id=2023669
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1983563&pbp_id=875843
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1981474&pbp_id=24819

Neither of them are these hulking 155+ Strength DE's either. Dots with thatm uch strength aren't made to get pressure, and shouldn't be expected to create much pressure.

Tlr -1

But you are forgetting that DEs in theory have the edge with first step, jump the snap, and the ability to shed blocks and break double team blocks. A good percent of the time if the DE gets a jump on the blocker, he wins the roll. It's about leverage and momentum. An OL doesn't always win those matchups

Ok so I'm not a build expert. Obviously my numbers are off