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Many of the suggestions I see are calling for league contraction/reducing the amount of teams or finding creative ways to fill teams with the current userbase. This is the most illogical and backwards way of addressing the problems regarding the lack of players and owners.

My solution? I suggest that GLB starts an advertising campaign as well as sends out a one time automated email to all inactive users. There has been no effort (at least from what I've witnessed) from the devs to attract new users. Up until this point it has been by user referral only. I love this game and feel that DD and Bort have not tapped this game's potential.

Please don't hesitate one more day. Put your game out there for people to see. Hell, you could put half naked chicks in your ads. It worked for Evony and it's a shitty game but has a very massive userbase.

Originally posted by Dub J
...as well as sends out a one time automated email to all inactive users.

Think about it. A ton of users left when non-boosters were killed off. At that time we didn't have the free player slot. I bet you that a large quantity of those users come back after discovering they now have a free dot.

Good point.

They may be waiting to get the game in a state of "Gold" before they put that effort in. Shooting your Welcome Back campaign on a Beta test may be premature. If they think they are close to that, I wouldn't say they were wrong. Word of Mouth is a great thing but it cuts both ways.

After almost 4 years I'm not sure what kind of tricks they could have up their sleeve.

Originally posted by Dub J
After almost 4 years I'm not sure what kind of tricks they could have up their sleeve.

Given the number of patches that transform play that are still coming out, I'd say that there could be a whole vegas boot of cards up there.

Game is fun, really good. But there is much tweaking to be done still.

Course Microsoft ships stuff far buggier than GLB is now. But Microsoft can shrug that off, LOL Vista, oops. Bort is more fragile as a businss I imagine.

GLB has done little to enhance the fun (or fluff) factor. I think that has been a big weakness.

Advertising!?!?

Do you have any idea how to run a business motherfucker, you don't advertise to get new customers, they just magically appear!

Originally posted by Dub J
GLB has done little to enhance the fun (or fluff) factor. I think that has been a big weakness.

Lingerie League ftw

+1

I agree in principle, but we, as a user base, need to do our part too. Last week I made a suggestion that the answer "Play Regular Leagues" be banned in the forums as a response to a suggestion or question about casual leagues. Of course, everyone read the word "casual" and the answers were all "Play Regular Leagues" and then the thread was locked because it wasn't a serious suggestion.

Fact is, it was a very serious suggestion. It wasn't about "Casual" at all, it was about brushing people off. And New Players in GLB tend to get the same sort of treatment. They ask about a build and they get a two word answer "Retire Him." These types of answers are useless, rude, and very frustrating for people who are trying to play the game.

In GLB there is a fairly steep learning curve since the character building process is so specifics and intricate and counter intuitive. When someone has a bad build, they should be given a link to some help on building and they could maybe be given some advice on how to learn cap building while retaining their player through the current season. ("Retire Him" is actually horrible advice because if they retire him and restart, then they need to retire him again next season because they didn't build him on the offseason).

The help system in GLB is horrible, too - things are all over the place, some sections are outdated, and it's nearly impossible to find anything unless you know the terminology for exactly what you are searching for - terminology that a new user doesn't have in their vocabulary yet. So at the end of the day, the forums are really the only place for a new user to try to get help. And when we snark with a two word "retire him" or whatever - without offering some sort of positive way to change the result after they do retire him - all is lost.

So, before the GLB team spends any money on advertising, we as a user base need to agree to be helpful and stop being so damned snarky to new players and people who are working their way up to the skill levels that the old user base has. Without that, they are just throwing money out the window because the new players will come and we'll just scare them away.

Originally posted by Ali Khaman
In GLB there is a fairly steep learning curve since the character building process is so specifics and intricate and counter intuitive. When someone has a bad build, they should be given a link to some help on building and they could maybe be given some advice on how to learn cap building while retaining their player through the current season. ("Retire Him" is actually horrible advice because if they retire him and restart, then they need to retire him again next season because they didn't build him on the offseason).


Or Bort can stop steering GLB towards a spreadsheet mentality and back towards football.

Originally posted by Myd
Or Bort can stop steering GLB towards a spreadsheet mentality and back towards football.



Yeah - when I suggest that type of thing the typical answer is usually "No one is forcing you to play GLB". lol

+1

Originally posted by Ali Khaman
Last week I made a suggestion that the answer "Play Regular Leagues" be banned in the forums as a response to a suggestion or question about casual leagues. Of course, everyone read the word "casual" and the answers were all "Play Regular Leagues" and then the thread was locked because it wasn't a serious suggestion.

Fact is, it was a very serious suggestion. It wasn't about "Casual" at all, it was about brushing people off.
No, it was about you whining because your other suggestion to make Casual a little bit less casual got swept into the same bin as 90% of the other suggestions about making Casual a little bit less casual. You simply tried to disguise what it was really about, but most of us weren't fooled, and neither were the mods.

And I think you've simply found a back-door way of whining about it some more. Congratulations!

As to the GLB forumers being rude to newbies, hey -- welcome to the Internet. I don't like it either, but there's a reason 4Chan is so popular: because there is no shortage of people who think it's fun to be a jerk on the Internet. Complaining about that is like complaining that water is wet... in the end, you're not going to change anything.

As to the OP's suggestion... I think we all agree that at some point, GLB is going to need to do some outside marketing, and those ads will probably include stock-photos of sexy ladies in skimpy cheerleader outfits, along with a "Welcome back" mass e-mail to old users. When will that time come? I have no idea, but I don't think it's here yet.

Originally posted by Ali Khaman
I agree in principle, but we, as a user base, need to do our part too. Last week I made a suggestion that the answer "Play Regular Leagues" be banned in the forums as a response to a suggestion or question about casual leagues. Of course, everyone read the word "casual" and the answers were all "Play Regular Leagues" and then the thread was locked because it wasn't a serious suggestion.

Fact is, it was a very serious suggestion. It wasn't about "Casual" at all, it was about brushing people off. And New Players in GLB tend to get the same sort of treatment. They ask about a build and they get a two word answer "Retire Him." These types of answers are useless, rude, and very frustrating for people who are trying to play the game.

In GLB there is a fairly steep learning curve since the character building process is so specifics and intricate and counter intuitive. When someone has a bad build, they should be given a link to some help on building and they could maybe be given some advice on how to learn cap building while retaining their player through the current season. ("Retire Him" is actually horrible advice because if they retire him and restart, then they need to retire him again next season because they didn't build him on the offseason).

The help system in GLB is horrible, too - things are all over the place, some sections are outdated, and it's nearly impossible to find anything unless you know the terminology for exactly what you are searching for - terminology that a new user doesn't have in their vocabulary yet. So at the end of the day, the forums are really the only place for a new user to try to get help. And when we snark with a two word "retire him" or whatever - without offering some sort of positive way to change the result after they do retire him - all is lost.

So, before the GLB team spends any money on advertising, we as a user base need to agree to be helpful and stop being so damned snarky to new players and people who are working their way up to the skill levels that the old user base has. Without that, they are just throwing money out the window because the new players will come and we'll just scare them away.



The vast majority of new users are treated well at this site. Most users (myself included) go out of our way to help new users. Now when a new user starts posting in the forums as if he/she has already been here for a long time that's a different story. Don't expect to be treated well at any game if you are the new kid on the block yet post as if you are an old pro. 99.9% of the time those "new users" are just a banned user's multi account.