Warrior General Games

how does this look

BTs for 3AEQ, about 40 SPs for SAs left over

strength : 96.37
speed : 70.63
agility : 89.84
jumping : 51
stamina : 55.63
vision : 72.84
confidence : 41.16
blocking : 8
throwing : 8
catching : 8
carrying : 8
tackling : 85.37
kicking : 8
punting : 8

Should be a pretty good run stuffer and force some fumbles. Personally, I'd reverse the vision and tackling.

Agree with rage.

I targeted 81 strength - 81 agility - 81 tackling but with capping other stuff too before finishing tackling to get better decimals.

Would you stop tackling at 68 already? Why do you prefer vision?

I am a little concerned with only 35 SPs for SAs, thoughts?

Originally posted by jakobnielsen
Why do you prefer vision?



vision helps with breaking blocks and making tackles
tackling helps with making tackles and forcing fumbles

You have to do #1 before you can do #2 or #3

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
vision helps with breaking blocks and making tackles
tackling helps with making tackles and forcing fumbles

You have to do #1 before you can do #2 or #3

Makes good sense. Would you just swap them, or go somewhere in btw on both?
72 tackling ok? with something like Sure tackler?

And the 35Sps?

Appreciate the advice, this is my first NT/DT

Originally posted by jakobnielsen
Makes good sense. Would you just swap them, or go somewhere in btw on both?
72 tackling ok? with something like Sure tackler?

And the 35Sps?

Appreciate the advice, this is my first NT/DT


You could split the difference, or you could drop both some and add more speed, stamina, and/or confidence. You could also leave it as is. I'm just saying I would add more vision and drop some of the tackling, but there are some excellent builders that would disagree with me on that.

With the sp for SAs, I would go wall, break through, and shed block.

Did a new run

Attributes:
strength : 96.58
speed : 71.77
agility : 90.05
jumping : 50
stamina : 58.77
vision : 79.05
confidence : 51.3
blocking : 8
throwing : 8
catching : 8
carrying : 8
tackling : 74.58
kicking : 8
punting : 8

Top SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Bottom SA Tree: | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
Additional SA Tree: | 0 |

leaves me with 54 SPs for SAs
could be 7wall 10 break thru - 4 additional SA

Still enough BTs for 3AEQ, one would be a SA piece - maybe First Step, maybe Break Thru and then have the extra points to go Shed Block or something

Am I wasting the points in jumping?

I think 50 is high. I'd probably go with 30-35, but it may not be a bad investment.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
I think 50 is high. I'd probably go with 30-35, but it may not be a bad investment.

There is no room for Swat Ball, so it would be for the diving tackle ability.

How about the rest?

I wanted to take vision to 74, and train it further, but it got capped so late it did not get multitrained much at that level. Might have to try another run....

(this would all be much easier, if I was capable of recruting Rages dots!)

seems like overkill on vision to me

The builds are all solid, and a lot of the changes will just make a player a fraction better in one area and a fraction worse in another. The "correct" build often depends on the system the DC is using as well.

There are different DT builds out there that perform very well, just differently. For instance, Minnesota Fats is not built like Homage's Massive Bereavement but both are excellent DTs.

I personally prefer DTs to have 100 agility with equipment and 80 speed, (but I'm building one now that will only have about 65 speed.)

I think Homage likes to have about 155-160+ strength on his DTs and has a little less agility and speed than mine have.

Tautology likes to have high tackling and vision on his DTs, and his are much slower than mine are.

Yet all of them perform very well, it's just each has different strengths and weaknesses.


I absolutely love how this DT is performing this season

Minnesota Fats (Lv. 73 DT)
Ht/Wt: 6'0", 276lbs

Experience, Skill Points, and Cash
Money: $0
Daily Salary: $9205
Skill Points: 0
Training Points: 2
Bonus Tokens: 6
Veteran Points: 0
Next Level: 43/1000

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 142.26 (+44)
Speed: 80.22
Agility: 99.26 (+8)
Jumping: 30
Stamina: 64.22
Vision: 69.62
Confidence: 54.22

Football Skills
Blocking: 17.42
Catching: 8
Tackling: 68.26
Throwing: 9
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Pass Rusher Abilities
The Glare: 2
Shed Blocks: 4
Swat Ball: 2
Strong Base: 10
Big Sack: 0

Run Stuffer Abilities
Wall: 7
Break Through: 11
Snarl: 1
Big Hit: 1
D-Line General: 1

Additional Abilities
First Step: 11
Veteran Abilities
Workout Warrior: 15
Bull Rusher: 15
Heavyweight: 15
Overtime Killer: 1
Pass Rusher: 11
Pocket Crusher: 11


As much as I like him, I won't build another that is the same. I want to try and build one that will do better. I may succeed with my adjustments, and I may fail miserably.

You also have to consider that whatever, advise you get now is based on what someone thinks is best in the current SIM. That may not be the case 2, 3, or 4+ seasons from now.

Here is the one I was talking about above. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1901751
I'm still assigning sp to agility and including it in quad training. At the end of the build he will have 101.8 strength, 95.2 agility, and 80+ vision. However, he's only going to have 50 tackling and 65 speed.

Is it worth giving up all that tackling and speed for 5 more points of strength and 5 more points of agility? I have no idea, but I'm going to find out.


Your build has the base for a very good to great NT, and you could get 100 different opinions on what will be best. It's not a bad idea to get opinions from different people to help you make your decision on the fine tuning, but in the end, you kind of need to make that decision yourself. Go with your gut and hope for the best.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
The builds are all solid, and a lot of the changes will just make a player a fraction better in one area and a fraction worse in another. The "correct" build often depends on the system the DC is using as well.

There are different DT builds out there that perform very well, just differently. For instance, Minnesota Fats is not built like Homage's Massive Bereavement but both are excellent DTs.

I personally prefer DTs to have 100 agility with equipment and 80 speed, (but I'm building one now that will only have about 65 speed.)

I think Homage likes to have about 155-160+ strength on his DTs and has a little less agility and speed than mine have.

It's not a bad idea to get opinions from different people to help you make your decision on the fine tuning, but in the end, you kind of need to make that decision yourself. Go with your gut and hope for the best.

HEY NOW, don't typecast me!

That being said... this is some great advice. I lubz Massive and he is definitely different than Fats. I remember the days when they were almost identical builds (first 5 seasons or so I think)... but we definitely went completely different ways with tackling and speed. Maybe someday we'll see Minnesota and Massive next to each other. O joy.

But follow your gut, instinct, whatever you call it. It's usually the best way to go. Take in what all of us or other people offer and make an educated decision based on your personal philosophies and what you see in the sim and how your player is performing based on his current attributes and the such. In game stats for the most part are not a great way to judge a DT/NT in today's sim... it's definitely one of those positions you have to watch to truly appreciate a great dawt.

Good luck.

thx guys,
for now I am taking the road of the second run I posted, might change it up later...

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
vision helps with breaking blocks and making tackles
tackling helps with making tackles and forcing fumbles

You have to do #1 before you can do #2 or #3

How high would you consider taking vision on a DT and what's the highest you've tried or seen?