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DTs don't really get sacks at high levels of the game right now, regardless of build.

Originally posted by tautology
DTs don't really get sacks at high levels of the game right now, regardless of build.



I agree. It is almost impossible to get the strength, agility, and vision you need to break blocks and still have enough speed to get to QB before he gets rid of the ball.

Your end build is going to need at least a total of 250 pts in strength + agility (including equipment). Then you need to have at least 65 vision. You also will need at least 55 stamina and really want 60+. Confidence needs to be in the 50's. You probably need 110+ speed on top of that with FS and shed block each to 10.

Figure out how to build a DT with

145 strength
105 agility
110 speed
60 stamina
70 vision
55 confidence
10 shed block, 10 FS

and you can probably get 8-12 sacks a season at high levels unless you play a few gut jobs or under leveled teams, then you can rack up some sacks in the gimme games

If you want stats, then I wouldn't suggest a DT

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=980363 - #2 DT, #130 overall D (and he was #1 DT before last game)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=1167263 - #1 DT, #91 overall D
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=1304875 #4 DT, #93 overall D
(odd how there are 2 DTs between them in DT ranking but only 1 player in over all defense)

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by tautology

DTs don't really get sacks at high levels of the game right now, regardless of build.



I agree. It is almost impossible to get the strength, agility, and vision you need to break blocks and still have enough speed to get to QB before he gets rid of the ball.

Your end build is going to need at least a total of 250 pts in strength + agility (including equipment). Then you need to have at least 65 vision. You also will need at least 55 stamina and really want 60+. Confidence needs to be in the 50's. You probably need 110+ speed on top of that with FS and shed block each to 10.

Figure out how to build a DT with

145 strength
105 agility
110 speed
60 stamina
70 vision
55 confidence
10 shed block, 10 FS

and you can probably get 8-12 sacks a season at high levels unless you play a few gut jobs or under leveled teams, then you can rack up some sacks in the gimme games

DTs probably have better ways to approach sacks than more speed.

One additional reason DTs aren't getting sacks is because DEs and blitzing LBs are much more effective right now, and limit the DT's sack opportunities in a whole variety of ways (not just by getting there first, but also through the ways the affect the QB movement).

Originally posted by tautology
DTs probably have better ways to approach sacks than more speed.


Maybe, but I don't know what it would be. 150 strength, 95 agility, 80 vision, 10 SB, 10 BT, 2 pieces of BB% definitely isn't the answer.

- not sure what can get a DT to HB any sooner on plays like these other than more speed TBH.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1419864&pbp_id=8596934
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1419864&pbp_id=8598663
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1372131&pbp_id=8440215
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1372083&pbp_id=7208750
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1372083&pbp_id=7208784

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by tautology

DTs probably have better ways to approach sacks than more speed.


Maybe, but I don't know what it would be. 150 strength, 95 agility, 80 vision, 10 SB, 10 BT, 2 pieces of BB% definitely isn't the answer.

- not sure what can get a DT to HB any sooner on plays like these other than more speed TBH.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1419864&pbp_id=8596934
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1419864&pbp_id=8598663
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1372131&pbp_id=8440215
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1372083&pbp_id=7208750
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1372083&pbp_id=7208784

Let
t = amount of time it takes to execute the sack from the moment you break the block.
v = the average speed of your dot over that period of time
D = distance to be covered.

t = D/v

Decreasing t is the goal.

Originally posted by tautology
Let
t = amount of time it takes to execute the sack from the moment you break the block.
v = the average speed of your dot over that period of time
D = distance to be covered.

t = D/v

Decreasing t is the goal.





So what you are saying is to get sacks, you have to be engaged by the blocker longer, so that you don't break it until you are right on top of the QB.

The problem is that a DT built to push blockers back will often reverse cake them within the first few ticks instead.

So you would need to have enough strength, agility, speed (for momentum) strong base, and pocket crusher to drive the OL back, but limit your shed block, and break block % so you break the block much later. I would think you still want heavy weight so that when you do eventually break the block you get the rev cake. It might also mean toying with keeping strength down some.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1304875 his build doesn't work for this because he is getting the rev cakes too early when he beats OL. Maybe moving equipment from strength to agility? Or maybe his agility is too high? Maybe just go with more strength and less agility and hope it helps push OL back but doesn't cause the rev cake to happen too early?

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
So what you are saying is to get sacks, you have to be engaged by the blocker longer, so that you don't break it until you are right on top of the QB.



Exactly. But this doesn't seem too feasible this season for the reasons you mention. As such, we are back to the original premise....DTs don't get sacks right now.

I do think their chances to get sacks are about equal using either method (equally nil in this case).

Maybe next year?

Originally posted by tautology
Exactly. But this doesn't seem too feasible this season for the reasons you mention. As such, we are back to the original premise....DTs don't get sacks right now.

I do think their chances to get sacks are about equal using either method (equally nil in this case).

Maybe next year?



Considering that as far as I know the build I posted is impossible to make, definitely need a sim change.

Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Considering that as far as I know the build I posted is impossible to make, definitely need a sim change.

As far as I recall, you were the one advocating toning down the ability of DTs to knock down blockers and "swim" to the QB last season....that's been their best bet for the past several seasons

Un-nerf the nerf?

Btw I have a "pass rushing DT" with a few more strength, the same agility, about 6 less speed, and 16 strong base, 15 pocket crusher, 38% break block...he doesn't do shit either.

Originally posted by tautology
As far as I recall, you were the one advocating toning down the ability of DTs to knock down blockers and "swim" to the QB last season....that's been their best bet for the past several seasons

Un-nerf the nerf?

nope. I was advocating a bonus for multiple blockers blocking one person. I didn't want the DTs that were rev caking 3+ guys at one time.

Last season it seemed a DT had a better shot at breaking a double or triple team than beating one on one blocking because breakthrough would fire against multiple blockers and be enough for the DT to revcake them all simultaneously.

Instead, Bort just made it harder to beat OL in general, so that it is harder to beat the one on one blocking as well.