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poeticfantasy
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100 str 100 agi 100 speed

Good for a pass rushing dt?

Opinions on this?

Effectiveness of doing this?

Etc.

Thanks.
 
Battleking69
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That stats would be nice for a combo dt, pass rusher maybe
 
Shrazkil
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Easily possible, actually alittle low probably.

Could easily get 120 agility,106 strength, 106 speed on a run blocker, or any 120,106,106 on a pass rusher
 
Rage Kinard
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you could actually get to 130 strength, 100 agility, 100 speed if you put the equipment in the right places. That is without sacrificing secondaries (unless you consider 65-70 tackling or vision a sacrifice). Then you would still be able to get 10 shed block and 10 first step.

Edit: BTW - I wouldn't suggest this. 120 strength 100 agility 95 speed, 70 vision, 12 FS, 9 shed block, 9 break through did virtually nothing when I tested it in scrimmages 2 seasons ago. I ended up switching him to 135 strength 95 agility 85 speed and changed tech man out for pocket crusher.
Edited by Rage Kinard on Oct 8, 2010 10:50:43
 
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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
you could actually get to 130 strength, 100 agility, 100 speed if you put the equipment in the right places. That is without sacrificing secondaries (unless you consider 65-70 tackling or vision a sacrifice). Then you would still be able to get 10 shed block and 10 first step.

Edit: BTW - I wouldn't suggest this. 120 strength 100 agility 95 speed, 70 vision, 12 FS, 9 shed block, 9 break through did virtually nothing when I tested it in scrimmages 2 seasons ago. I ended up switching him to 135 strength 95 agility 85 speed and changed tech man out for pocket crusher.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/compare_teams.pl?team1=1022&team2=900 - I'm going to have him go with 115 strength, 95 agility, 105 speed for this game. Not sure if you can tell anything by it or not though since we are playing a weak opponent. I guess if he does crappy, then it shows the set up still isn't good.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7292657 - first play is good. Tackle for no gain.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7292727 - not much
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7292790 - double teamed, no penetration
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7293195 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7293510 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7293553 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7293707 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7293763 - missed tackle in backfield
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7293925 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294163 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294199 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294229 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294301 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294336 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294887 - good penetration
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294908 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7295645 - pancaked
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7295679 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7295722 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7296044 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7296081 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7296147 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7296445 - nothing

anyway, got tired of watching PBP. Here are other plays he was mentioned

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7296527 - credited with hurry, but really nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7298676 - unblocked on screen, but still can't get to QB
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7298922 - tackle


So a virtually non existent game vs. a weak opponent and not even in WL. Like I said, I wouldn't suggest this type of build.
Edited by Rage Kinard on Oct 8, 2010 12:11:54
 
poeticfantasy
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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
http://goallineblitz.com/game/compare_teams.pl?team1=1022&team2=900 - I'm going to have him go with 115 strength, 95 agility, 105 speed for this game. Not sure if you can tell anything by it or not though since we are playing a weak opponent. I guess if he does crappy, then it shows the set up still isn't good.


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7292657 - first play is good. Tackle for no gain.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7292727 - not much
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7292790 - double teamed, no penetration
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7293195 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7293510 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7293553 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7293707 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7293763 - missed tackle in backfield
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7293925 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294163 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294199 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294229 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294301 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294336 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294887 - good penetration
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7294908 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7295645 - pancaked
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7295679 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7295722 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7296044 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7296081 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7296147 - nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7296445 - nothing

anyway, got tired of watching PBP. Here are other plays he was mentioned


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7296527 - credited with hurry, but really nothing
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7298676 - unblocked on screen, but still can't get to QB
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1369497&pbp_id=7298922 - tackle


So a virtually non existent game vs. a weak opponent and not even in WL. Like I said, I wouldn't suggest this type of build.



What would are your opinions on an effective range for speed? Not concerned with sacks, mainly hurries. 70 seems like enough but I ask hour opinion because your a tester and also like dt.

 
Rage Kinard
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Originally posted by poeticfantasy

What would are your opinions on an effective range for speed? Not concerned with sacks, mainly hurries. 70 seems like enough but I ask hour opinion because your a tester and also like dt.



65-70 is fine if you have enough strength/agility. I have close to 80 (or more) on all my older ones, but the extra speed seems to help more in run defense than pass defense. I'm thinking about dropping down to 65-70 with some of my younger ones.
 
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Originally posted by Rage Kinard
Originally posted by poeticfantasy


What would are your opinions on an effective range for speed? Not concerned with sacks, mainly hurries. 70 seems like enough but I ask hour opinion because your a tester and also like dt.



65-70 is fine if you have enough strength/agility. I have close to 80 (or more) on all my older ones, but the extra speed seems to help more in run defense than pass defense. I'm thinking about dropping down to 65-70 with some of my younger ones.


My guy is lvl 18 and has 78 natural agility 96 currently with equipment. I'm adding to speed now. Has 53 speed and am training str at the moment. I know about the benefits of quad training but just don't put forth the effort to do it myself. Str is 30 for what it is worth. I'm only going to purchase 2 pieces of aeq in the long run: 2 break block pieces. I've purchased two bonus sa and will purchase a thrid eventually: first step. Right now I've tunnel vision and aura purchased.

Basically I'm just trying to keep from going the route of a cookie cutting build while at the same time maintaining an effective build.

Wanted to get your opinion on the speed though, whereas the sooner that is taken care of the sooner I can move onto str.

 
Underdawg08
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Interior Defensive Linemen need STR. there is no way around it. And if you want to go an unorthodox route, Switch to Speed for the next attribute, instead of going to agility. but the ALG's are bunk.
Edited by Underdawg08 on Oct 8, 2010 18:57:53
 


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