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Is 61-65 strength enough to Break the tackle?

He will have
Agility - 90
Carrying - 50

At high levels, you will do very little with those numbers.

Nothing at all, actually.

Originally posted by tautology

At high levels, you will do very little with those numbers.

Nothing at all, actually.

this. a good number of CBs will be looking at (are are even now looking at) ~60 strength, 95 agility and 50 tackling. those numbers wont you get you anywhere.

FYI- Agility and vision are what get's you spins on WRs.

Originally posted by Mob-6
FYI- Agility and vision are what get's you spins on WRs.

Yes, they, along with the spin SA level itself, determine how often you spin. But whether you break the tackle (and thus actually see the spin on the replay) has nothing at all to do with vision, and only partially relies on your agility. Or at least that's what seems to be the consensus every time this issue comes up.

Originally posted by veepee
Yes, they, along with the spin SA level itself, determine how often you spin. But whether you break the tackle (and thus actually see the spin on the replay) has nothing at all to do with vision, and only partially relies on your agility. Or at least that's what seems to be the consensus every time this issue comes up.



Hi, I've been ahead of the consensus since I started this game. Vision plays a role. My WR with high vision/agility, little strength and carrying with low spin seems to do it quite frequently against common level opponents. Why, because I don't do what the consensus does, I do what Bort intended WRs to do to Spin.

Originally posted by Mob-6
Hi, I've been ahead of the consensus since I started this game. Vision plays a role. My WR with high vision/agility, little strength and carrying with low spin seems to do it quite frequently against common level opponents. Why, because I don't do what the consensus does, I do what Bort intended WRs to do to Spin.

You have late season 7 players, playing in AA. That is fine, but I'm not sure that the person wanting to get his player in Pro/WL will have the same type of success without having higher strength and carrying.

Originally posted by Mob-6
Hi, I've been ahead of the consensus since I started this game. Vision plays a role. My WR with high vision/agility, little strength and carrying with low spin seems to do it quite frequently against common level opponents. Why, because I don't do what the consensus does, I do what Bort intended WRs to do to Spin.

Care to show me any Bort discussion linking vision to broken tackles? I've seen plenty concerning other factors -- strength, carrying, to a certain extent agility, momentum, break-tackle mods through EQ or VAs, and the running-style slider -- but I've never seen anything suggesting that higher vision increases your break-tackle roll. If I've overlooked something, I'd be grateful for a link.

And I have to concur with Rage. I had a high AG/VIS +SPIN WR with only mediocre strength and carrying. He had some great seasons in A/AA, but his productivity (and broken tackle tally, which was never stellar to begin with) dropped off sharply at the AAA and Pro levels.

Originally posted by Mob-6
FYI- Agility and vision are what get's you spins on WRs.

NO.

55/55 str/car, with high spin, break tackle% AE, and the right VAs (yac attack/slippry) in the right system (oc who knows how to get you on some short routes) would do fine. If you want to break tackles downfield though, str/car must be higher obviously as you don't have yac attack to let you kill peeps.

(lolvision?)

Originally posted by Mob-6
Hi, I've been ahead of the consensus since I started this game. Vision plays a role. My WR with high vision/agility, little strength and carrying with low spin seems to do it quite frequently against common level opponents. Why, because I don't do what the consensus does, I do what Bort intended WRs to do to Spin.

You mean your five season super-slowbuilds playing most of their careers in capped leagues?

If vision plays a role in the Break tackle roll, I've been able to distinguish 0 effect. Agility helps, but what helps the most is high strength/carrying.

Originally posted by joeyjojok
Is 61-65 strength enough to Break the tackle?

He will have
Agility - 90
Carrying - 50


It all depends upon whether or not you have the break tackle% AEQ and obviously have spin SA around 8 or higher.

Originally posted by Mob-6
Hi, I've been ahead of the consensus since I started this game. Vision plays a role. My WR with high vision/agility, little strength and carrying with low spin seems to do it quite frequently against common level opponents. Why, because I don't do what the consensus does, I do what Bort intended WRs to do to Spin.

SSB scum

Originally posted by Mob-6
FYI- Agility and vision are what get's you spins on WRs.

LOL. How does that explain all the broken tackles that power backs get? They usually get Vision to 40 and leave it.

If you want your WR to spin more he/she must have high agility (80+) and STR/CAR AT LEAST to 61/61.

68/68 would work far better of course.

Originally posted by WSUfanatic
Originally posted by joeyjojok

Is 61-65 strength enough to Break the tackle?

He will have
Agility - 90
Carrying - 50


It all depends upon whether or not you have the break tackle% AEQ and obviously have spin SA around 8 or higher.

50 carrying will do nothing to break tackles.