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So my FS is never going to have the tackling necessary for DvG (he's almost purely a coverage beast), but he is very capable of getting into position to make plays in the run game. I was wondering if Death Grip is at all useful. He does not miss many tackles, but even one a game can be disastrous. If he could at least be dragged it would slow the runner enough to let the other pursuit catch up and stop the huge play. Has anyone tried to use this VA? If so, what were your results?

best if others on your team have rip the ball or gang tackle

Originally posted by Djinnt
best if others on your team have rip the ball or gang tackle

This much is pretty obvious . . . I mean as far as my own safety's ability to simply do his job, how effective is it?

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If your team members don't have rip the ball or gang tackle I don't see how it would help much at all.

Originally posted by skeels
Originally posted by Djinnt

best if others on your team have rip the ball or gang tackle

This much is pretty obvious . . . I mean as far as my own safety's ability to simply do his job, how effective is it?

u still have to state the obvious for some

Now, for your question, You say he doesn't miss tackles. Don't use it.It sucks anyway. I've had bad feedback on it

Originally posted by Djinnt
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If your team members don't have rip the ball or gang tackle I don't see how it would help much at all.

when you drag the ball carrier you slow them down more than a missed tackle, it would still help if his team didn't have the VA or SA because they'd get more time to make the tackle and I'm sure dragged dots are off balance and a little easier to tackle than dots that aren't dragging tacklers.

Originally posted by MileHighShoes
when you drag the ball carrier you slow them down more than a missed tackle, it would still help if his team didn't have the VA or SA because they'd get more time to make the tackle and I'm sure dragged dots are off balance and a little easier to tackle than dots that aren't dragging tacklers.
Precisely my thinking (You actually read the OP it would appear). The question is will he see dragging on like 80% of missed tackles? 20%? Is it worth it?

Originally posted by Packers27
Now, for your question, You say he doesn't miss tackles. Don't use it.It sucks anyway. I've had bad feedback on it
I said he doesn't miss many tackles. As the FS even if he gets 10 tackles, 1 miss can be disastrous. You say it sucks and you've had bad feedback . . . care to elaborate rather than just generalize?

Example of dragging saving a TD by slowing down the runner and allowing pursuit to catch up: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1214160&pbp_id=7417714
I'm probably gonna try it during preseason, I'll let you guys know the results.

That doesn't happen very often dude. You gotta have teammates there beside your player IF its triggered. You happen to find a play where it happens. You should concentrate on something else.

As for your request for elaboration. I ALSO SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT YOUR TACKLING. I don't have to explain. I'm a student at building but its my job in GLB to test the skills. Been doing it for 3 seasons. If you wanna know about Death Grip then go to the forum. I'm not posting it again for an individual

Also depends on your extent of suck

Originally posted by Packers27
That doesn't happen very often dude. You gotta have teammates there beside your player IF its triggered. You happen to find a play where it happens. You should concentrate on something else.

As for your request for elaboration. I ALSO SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT YOUR TACKLING. I don't have to explain. I'm a student at building but its my job in GLB to test the skills. Been doing it for 3 seasons. If you wanna know about Death Grip then go to the forum. I'm not posting it again for an individual

Also depends on your extent of suck

I just asked if you knew any numbers about it man, the whole reason I'm asking is because it's late in the build and his tackling just isn't going to be good. Stop being an asshole and contribute something to the board. If you said something somewhere else, how hard is it to post a link?

I do agree that it might not happen often enough to be worth it... I'm just gonna test it in the preseason for now I think.

Originally posted by skeels
Example of dragging saving a TD by slowing down the runner and allowing pursuit to catch up: http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1214160&pbp_id=7417714
I'm probably gonna try it during preseason, I'll let you guys know the results.

just to be clear who exactly is being dragged in that play because I don't see it?
to me it looks like the cb botches his tackle and gets up immediately after, then the FS misses his tackle due to power through - power through triggering for the hb makes him slow up a little and the mlb makes a tackle he probably would have anyway because he's moving pretty quick

I even paused it at the beginning and slowly moved through the play and my analysis is unchanged

anyway, I read your initial post (in case you were insinuating I hadn't) and it's hard to give your question any further validity - being dragged after the tackle may have some benefit related to slowing the player, but I'm saying the primary benefit from the va comes from its correlation to others. Why would you want to gimp yourself with a va that's seemingly intended to work with other VAs when you can just take sure tackler? You say you rarely miss tackles anyway, that's the type of player a VA like sure tackler will help the most. It means that the rare reroll will probably result in a success because the failure was an improbable occurrence.
Purely from a min-max standpoint it doesn't make much sense to me to take a VA you're not reaping for all of its benefit

Originally posted by Djinnt
just to be clear who exactly is being dragged in that play because I don't see it?
to me it looks like the cb botches his tackle and gets up immediately after, then the FS misses his tackle due to power through - power through triggering for the hb makes him slow up a little and the mlb makes a tackle he probably would have anyway because he's moving pretty quick

I even paused it at the beginning and slowly moved through the play and my analysis is unchanged

anyway, I read your initial post (in case you were insinuating I hadn't) and it's hard to give your question any further validity - being dragged after the tackle may have some benefit related to slowing the player, but I'm saying the primary benefit from the va comes from its correlation to others. Why would you want to gimp yourself with a va that's seemingly intended to work with other VAs when you can just take sure tackler? You say you rarely miss tackles anyway, that's the type of player a VA like sure tackler will help the most. It means that the rare reroll will probably result in a success because the failure was an improbable occurrence.
Purely from a min-max standpoint it doesn't make much sense to me to take a VA you're not reaping for all of its benefit

On that play I do think the FS gets dragged for a couple ticks. The MLB would not have made the tackle if the FS hadn't slowed the runner down, the runner was moving faster the tick before contact.
Regardless, I'm gonna have to agree with you overall. Sure tackler is a more simple solution to the problem, I was just trying to explore other options. Even if the player does get dragged from time to time it's not enough to justify putting any significant number of VP's into. Thanks for your input.

Originally posted by skeels
Originally posted by Packers27

That doesn't happen very often dude. You gotta have teammates there beside your player IF its triggered. You happen to find a play where it happens. You should concentrate on something else.

As for your request for elaboration. I ALSO SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT YOUR TACKLING. I don't have to explain. I'm a student at building but its my job in GLB to test the skills. Been doing it for 3 seasons. If you wanna know about Death Grip then go to the forum. I'm not posting it again for an individual

Also depends on your extent of suck

I just asked if you knew any numbers about it man, the whole reason I'm asking is because it's late in the build and his tackling just isn't going to be good. Stop being an asshole and contribute something to the board. If you said something somewhere else, how hard is it to post a link?

I do agree that it might not happen often enough to be worth it... I'm just gonna test it in the preseason for now I think.

Well, if you said that you need a team for your player and posted his build, do I have to tell you that this isn't the place to be recruited? I 200% agree with your last statement and sure tackle is more of a "wide range" fix. It doesn't happen that often and the MLB would NOT have caught him but how many times are you gonna be in that situation?

You need to work on your tackling and eliminate your problem, not find a VA for your lack of tackling. Thats not gonna work.

The first thing you should've done was POST your build so we can see where your tackling is. Death grip still has to pass a tackling check for it to trigger, and of course it all depends on who you're grasping to. Thats really all you need to know but the VA description is pretty clear. The rest common sense. Let's move on

Originally posted by skeels
the runner was moving faster the tick before contact.

That's true, but that happens when players break tackles

Originally posted by Packers27
Well, if you said that you need a team for your player and posted his build, do I have to tell you that this isn't the place to be recruited? I 200% agree with your last statement and sure tackle is more of a "wide range" fix. It doesn't happen that often and the MLB would NOT have caught him but how many times are you gonna be in that situation?

You need to work on your tackling and eliminate your problem, not find a VA for your lack of tackling. Thats not gonna work.

The first thing you should've done was POST your build so we can see where your tackling is. Death grip still has to pass a tackling check for it to trigger, and of course it all depends on who you're grasping to. Thats really all you need to know but the VA description is pretty clear. The rest common sense. Let's move on


I never said I needed a team for my player, in fact he's already committed for S17 to a pro team. I also said it's too late in the build to add to tackling, which is why I'm looking for a VA to compensate in the first place. I didn't want to share my build so I didn't post it, I'm sorry. He has 48+ tackling and I can't spare the SP's this late in his career to take that to 61, which is why he'll never be able to get DvG. Anyway, thanks everyone for your input, I think this topic has been beaten into the ground by now.