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my highest lvl K is lvl 37. he has 2 pieces of AEQ. 1 with calm nerves SA, 1 with big boot SA.
I can enhance one of them still and started thinking ( ooh nnoeess!!!)....
should I go ahead and add the +3 to kicking? or save a few BT's and just add a +2.
his kicking is currently at 121.48 with EQ. ? ( I know I should continue to keep all EQ in kicking )

I have 30 BT's now but was also thinking.. if I keep building up BT's and wait till 41 to shop again I might get lucky and find 2 more pieces with the same SA's he already has, thus allowing me to take calm nerves and big boot to 12-13 without spending any points in them, which I could use for other things?

am I being retarded? I haven't done the math but I'm guessing at lvl 37 if I train on light from here on out he should be able to fully upgrade 4 pieces of AEQ. or should I go with a make tackle % AEQ and something else?


thoughts?

Kickers don't really need 4 AEQ. 3 could be argued if you like all three SAs enough to want 10+ in them. Otherwise two should suffice. If you like Automatic get an Auto and a BB and get the +3 kicking. Otherwise get a CN and a BB and +3 kicking in both. That will leave BTs to be used for additional SP or training. And two normal pieces of EQ you can experiment with.

Okay, I seem to be missing something. Maybe it's been posted elsewhere and I'm just not seeing it. You can or cannot stacks SAs? I have two pieces of AEQ with +2 Calm Nerves. Should I get a third and fourth and stack them? Or is that a waste and I should sell the AEQs? Because, if you can't stack them, as the other SAs are marginal at best, AEQ is pretty much useless for a kicker as you say. Other than one piece.

Actually, I know I can stack them as each piece is +2 and my CN is at 4 so, it must work. So, maybe it's that there's a limit?

There is no real limit but there is a realistic usefulness limit. Bort has said that after 10 an SA starts decreasing in effectiveness per level, so if that really is the case it would be better to put it in 2 different SAs than all into one.

Well, no, not really. Not for a kicker, anyway. IMO, there really is only one good SA and that's Calm Nerves. There are no good percentage options on AEQ. If I could get CN to 10 without spending skill points, that would be peachy. Okay, thanks, I think I have my answer and my future plans for this kicker o' mine.

You could get a 4th piece just for the +3 kicking and leave it at that... unless you can afford to purchase another SA...

I just went with 3 AEQ pieces, one for each SA. SP can be used to get the SAs to 10-10-8 without much cost.

Originally posted by briarbowl
Well, no, not really. Not for a kicker, anyway. IMO, there really is only one good SA and that's Calm Nerves. There are no good percentage options on AEQ. If I could get CN to 10 without spending skill points, that would be peachy. Okay, thanks, I think I have my answer and my future plans for this kicker o' mine.

The problem with this reasoning is that it costs 1+1+2+2+3 sp to get CN to 5 natural. Alternatively it would cost 48*4 Bonus tokens to do the same with AEQ. Those 192 BTs could be spent to get 16 SP, which you could then put 9 into CN to get it to 5, and have 7 additional SP for your build.

But you're still going to be upgrading, anyway, in order to get bonuses to kicking. Upgrading 24 either way so why not take the bonus? But I understand your point. So, if I have two pieces of AEQ with CN, is it worth it to get another for the BB? Is BB worth it? From what I've read, it's not. So, maybe I should just forgo any more AEQ and go right to increasing my build.

I like BB. Not sure who said it's not worth it.

My point that I made above was that kickers could easily run with 2 AEQ or maybe three and either multi-train more or turn tokens in for SP. I simply don't think the +3 kicking is worth it to go from 150 to 153 kicking.

Now once ATs take over I may change my mind. But it's a risk I'm willing to take right now.

Yeah, I cranked up BB to see if it would help on kickoffs and it appeared to do that. Long field goal accuracy is a problem for everyone now-a-days but that's not a drawback to BB.

Well, well. I can't give you names at this point but there was a thought line that said that Automatic was worthless because it needed to really high to be effective and if a player was high enough to do that, Automatic wasn't necessary, anymore. And, since BB doesn't help accuracy, it's worthless, too. Only CN had any value.

Lately, though, I've been wondering about that. My kicker is at about 90% with FGs inside of 40 yards, about 10% beyond 40. Maybe BB would help. So, I think I'll get one more piece of AEQ with the BB SA and then that's it. Go for SP after that.

Do you get any tokens back if you sell a piece of AEQ?

Originally posted by briarbowl
Do you get any tokens back if you sell a piece of AEQ?

You get the tokens back that you spent upgrading, but not the tokens you spent to purchase or enhance.

Originally posted by briarbowl
Well, well. I can't give you names at this point but there was a thought line that said that Automatic was worthless because it needed to really high to be effective and if a player was high enough to do that, Automatic wasn't necessary, anymore. And, since BB doesn't help accuracy, it's worthless, too. Only CN had any value.



My thoughts on automatic follow a similar line although I don't believe it's very effective at all no matter how high it is. I have seen evidence that it can help lower leveled kickers perform more accurately.

Big Boot is good for Long Kick offs.

I get the upgrading tokens back. Hm. I might be well off just to sell a CN piece of AEQ and make a BB piece of AEQ. I'll lose some bonus tokens but not a whole lot. Something to consider.

Puma: I could stand longer kickoffs, too, but I was thinking more in terms of field goals. I know it won't help me vis a vis being wide one way or the other but it might help make it more possible for me to not be short on longer FGs?