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Was that a joke thread Bort? inb4lock? All you did is put a whole league into one conference. I don't see how this will help anything with competition out at all. What I see is that it will actually hurt competition in the playoffs. Do you really think some copper team is going to come in and beat a team like Who Dot, Crib, STD, or any others in the championship? It seems to me like the admins are blowing off Pee Wee... maybe it was the no boost/ no custom thread? Are you trying to get back at us for that?

Why in the world do you think it is a good thing for a team to get beat by 100+ in a silver championship? Gold is a privilege not something that is given to you. We take promotion seriously here in Pee Wee. I honestly would rather play good competition in a championship rather than be given a spot in gold. If this isn't changed I would imagine you will lose very many teams and this idea of "competition" will back fire on you.


Originally posted by
It was sorted by rivalry points this go around, in order to allow promoting copper teams to promote together instead of getting thrown around randomly as in the past. Since it has worked well in the minors, and pee wee follows a very similar structure, pee wee made sense to use this as well.

Can it be undone? Nope.

Will the CPUs get filled? The CPU teams will be sold to wait listers as usual. If there's too many CPU's when we're done (meaning not enough coppers to promote), we will kill off some silver leagues next season to condense.

Originally posted by Thunder66
When I figure out why the lesser teams deserve a free ride and the better teams deserve to be punished for the effort they put forward I'll let you know, until then WTF were you thinking Bort?

This is not parity, it's simply a new form of 'clusterfuck'.

I just really don't see how it will be a good thing to have copper teams alone in their own conference while you put all the good teams together. What in the world do you think that this will help?

Pee Wee and minors aren't related at all... no way can you compare the two...

Originally posted by EatDaBeaver
Pee Wee and minors aren't related at all... no way can you compare the two...

Yea I just PMed the admin who responded to my support request... I asked him if he had ever even watched a pee wee game... Looks like Bort just made the worst decision of his life imo...

Originally posted by The Greatest DTD
I just really don't see how it will be a good thing to have copper teams alone in their own conference while you put all the good teams together. What in the world do you think that this will help?

I completely agree. Promote copper teams as a league? Sure! That would be cool and help develop rivalries sooner. So put half of them in each conference so that they're still playing the same teams but they're facing some different people as well. This will stunt the development of new teams since they flat out won't have games against tough opponents who really know what they're doing...not until they cake walk to the championship anyway. With this structure it'll be 50x more difficult to win the conference championship game than the championship. This is just ridiculous

Why would I pay my $180 to beat a team by 100 in a championship game? Bort, really man what were you thinking when you did this?

yeah I am wondering if Gold will start to have teams that are clearly outmatched every season. Gold will become just another copper league.

Can we send in a message to support to request to be in the other conference? Take a CPU spot... I just want to show you how bad of an idea this was Bort.

Look at the new Silver 3.....WSB is going to have a lot of fun this year

Silver 1
.Conf...CPU Teams
.West......10
.East.......0

Silver 2
.West.......1
.East.......9

Silver 3
.West.......1
.East.......2

Silver 4
.West.......5
.East.......7

Silver 5
.West.......3
.East.......3

Silver 6
.West.......0
.East.......0

Silver 7
.West.......7
.East.......0

Silver 8
.West.......0
.East.......0

Originally posted by The Greatest DTD
I just really don't see how it will be a good thing to have copper teams alone in their own conference while you put all the good teams together. What in the world do you think that this will help?

I completely disagree with your arguments. Coppers deserve their rivalries too, and have plenty of competent owners. Pee Wee starts over every season. Everyone has a chance. Sounds like you're ready to just write off the copper owners out there as being total losers. The cream will rise as always. Just 'cause they started last season doesn't mean they automatically suck. There's silver teams who aren't going to be very good either, on the other side of the coin.

Also, I cannot "put it back" or anything like that. Teams are moved, owners have renewed or haven't, plans are in motion. You reshuffle and you lose all rivalries instead. Right now everyone gets to play teams they know and have something of a history with.

Yeah, looks like we probably have too many silver leagues, which makes for too many CPUs in silver. We can remove some next season if need be. We'll fill the CPU's we have now with new owners, who may or may not present a challenge. That's the trouble with pee-wee: you can't predict who's going to be good and who isn't, no matter where they came from.

Originally posted by Bort
Yeah, looks like we probably have too many silver leagues, which makes for too many CPUs in silver. We can remove some next season if need be. We'll fill the CPU's we have now with new owners, who may or may not present a challenge. That's the trouble with pee-wee: you can't predict who's going to be good and who isn't, no matter where they came from.


Technically, no. But if you look at stats from past seasons there are very very few copper teams who come into silver and can immediately compete for the championship. even very good teams that come up from copper usually aren't ready for the next level yet and it takes at least a season or two of playing really good opponents to get up to speed.

Tbh, a lot of owners here could pretty accurately predict who will be good next season, it really doesn't change that much from year to year. Yes, there is the occasional really good copper team that comes up and does great but that in no way warrants this big of a change.

Gold is quite possibly the most competitive league in all of GLB, the cream was already rising to the top. With this change, now it's just that much easier for the crap to rise to the top instead.

Thank you for the response Bort and I appreciate your desire to increase competition.

I don't think the problem is too many CPU teams and a need for silver contraction. I think the problems is too many owners are selling their teams or not renewing because other frustrations with owning in pee wee.

Originally posted by Bort
I completely disagree with your arguments. Coppers deserve their rivalries too, and have plenty of competent owners. Pee Wee starts over every season. Everyone has a chance. Sounds like you're ready to just write off the copper owners out there as being total losers. The cream will rise as always. Just 'cause they started last season doesn't mean they automatically suck. There's silver teams who aren't going to be very good either, on the other side of the coin.

Also, I cannot "put it back" or anything like that. Teams are moved, owners have renewed or haven't, plans are in motion. You reshuffle and you lose all rivalries instead. Right now everyone gets to play teams they know and have something of a history with.

Yeah, looks like we probably have too many silver leagues, which makes for too many CPUs in silver. We can remove some next season if need be. We'll fill the CPU's we have now with new owners, who may or may not present a challenge. That's the trouble with pee-wee: you can't predict who's going to be good and who isn't, no matter where they came from.


While I agree with some of your statements, how do you think some of these agents will be able to be competitive vs the other conference? There are lots of CPU's in each silver conference, which means that teams on the wait list will fill in. While you are correct in that their will be competitive copper teams, but I think you are missing that point that there are way many more competitive silver teams than there are copper so why bunch us all together and just let the copper teams play each other the whole season? They need to prove themselves vs the top silver teams of their conference, not have an easy road to the championship. Why move all silver teams? Why not just move a few and leave others in the other conference so that we can be sure the right team is in the championship.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=4028026

Some may see it as petty over an over reaction, and that's fine. For me it's just a situation of enough is enough and I truly hope everyone in PW will one day receive the attention you deserve for all the loyalty (in the form of flex) you have shown Bort and GLB.