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jktooley
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Getting tired of watching retards post about something that they have no clue about (dogmeat would be the latest), so I'll open up the debate here... Is selling your team actually a selfish act?

Let's look at the factors involved.

1.) sold it after the week 3 games... Had a 1-1 in-conference record... That means exactly ONE team in the conference was affected by having to play a competitive OTR team. Had I sold it mid-season, I'd say that argument would be a bit more legit... As it is, the timing was almost perfect.

2.) Team ownership... If you don't actually WORK at trying to make a competitive team while doing AI (i did the defense), you have absolutely no idea how time consuming it is... I would literally spend 2-3 hours a day scouting, making defensive plays, tweaking the AI. That on top of normal team functions like keeping up with equipment, trying to make the forums more lively, etc... (try making that commitment for 2 straight years...)

3.) Sim changes... Single-most time consuming aspect of the game as an owner... I would spend countless preseason hours breaking down the sim trying to see what was working and what wasn't... When the game swings wildly from one season to the next and you're trying to keep everybodies builds on the right path while trying to run 1/2 of the gameplan, it's pretty much a motherfucker.

4.) Point in agents careers... Yes, I owed a lot to the agents that formed my team. They put players on my squad that they built with their own money... That's why I owed them a chance to get onto a competitive squad before they hit decline. If I was no longer going to spend my time trying to adjust my defense to the sim, we weren't going to be realistically competitive... So why trap these guys on that kind of team?

5.) Playoffs... OTR was most likely a top 4 seed before selling the squad. If I had made the decision to finish off this season and then sell the team, I would be robbing one team of the opportunity to host a home playoff game... In the current economic structure, that's pretty important. I would say that's a very selfless act.

6. Fuck your face.
Edited by jktooley on Feb 14, 2010 21:12:20
 
thunderdoozer
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I agree with all points.

Especially 6.
 
Ubasstards
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i've spoken about this before a few seasons ago when some pro team sold midseason. I see nothing wrong with selling....specifically because of #4. Trapping agents on a team thats mailing the season in.

My suggestion back at that time was to copy the builds of the players on the team before selling and let the duplicate dots finish out the season. If the dupes were a top 8 team simply remove them from playoff seeding.

Of course the idea it has its problems(AI never changing), but its the best solution IMO
 
Dozer Dogmeat
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That’s Mr. Dogmeat to you.

To answer your easy question first: No, selling your team isn’t selfish, or wrong. Every team has it’s life span. You personally chose week 3 of season 14. I can’t imagine the pre-season pep talk you gave your agents in your forum, especially after they boosted up and prepared their players.

Your points:

1- “ONE team in the conference was affected by having to play a competitive OTR team.”

The timing isn’t perfect for the team affected, is it. What do you figure? 15…20 agents affected? No big deal. Hardly selfish at all.

2- Sure I have an idea what it takes. Why do you think I love playing on Sly’s team? Holy crap! He loves it and I love to watch the dots. I don’t know if your any good at it or not, but I do know you’ve bailed in the middle of the season. You should have never started the season.

MAN, if I had a guy on your team I’d be pissed at your failure.

3- Season two called. They want their complaint back. I mean really. Did you hit the wall after that third game? That was your random SIM frustration melt down point? Ahhhh!!!! I quit!!!! CLICK/SOLD.

4-No, the point in their careers was before the season started. Sure, they’ll get jobs, but shouldn’t be looking. They’ve learned a valuable lesson about judging the stability of a franchise. I hope you have apologized to them.

5-Most likely a top four seed? Oh! I didn’t know that. That changes everything! You’re a great guy! Thanks for the CPU team man!

6-Your pussy hurts.
Edited by Dozer Dogmeat on Feb 14, 2010 23:33:22
 
chilidave
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2 Seasons ????? Shit man.....I thought I was whimping out. I have been doing EVERYTHING on the Raptors since season 5. (122 offensive outputs & 403 defensive outputs)

Sure.....we're getting our ass handed to us this season, but we compete every game....and have been promoted to A, AA, AAA and Pro League at least one season too early each time.

Last season we took a #6 seed and beat the #2 & #3 before losing to ATKM. (was not even close tbh)

Losing is no fun !!!! Sim changing every season sucks !!!! VA's coming and going suck !!!! But every team has to deal with those issues.

If nothing ever changed, and you could half ass game plan.......would that really be fun and rewarding?????

JMO
 
jktooley
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Originally posted by chilidave
2 Seasons ????? Shit man.....I thought I was whimping out. I have been doing EVERYTHING on the Raptors since season 5. (122 offensive outputs & 403 defensive outputs)

Sure.....we're getting our ass handed to us this season, but we compete every game....and have been promoted to A, AA, AAA and Pro League at least one season too early each time.

Last season we took a #6 seed and beat the #2 & #3 before losing to ATKM. (was not even close tbh)

Losing is no fun !!!! Sim changing every season sucks !!!! VA's coming and going suck !!!! But every team has to deal with those issues.

If nothing ever changed, and you could half ass game plan.......would that really be fun and rewarding?????

JMO


I said 2 years, not two seasons... I took OTR from BBB to the World League bro.
 
jktooley
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Originally posted by Dozer Dogmeat
That’s Mr. Dogmeat to you.

To answer your easy question first: No, selling your team isn’t selfish, or wrong. Every team has it’s life span. You personally chose week 3 of season 14. I can’t imagine the pre-season pep talk you gave your agents in your forum, especially after they boosted up and prepared their players.

Your points:

1- “ONE team in the conference was affected by having to play a competitive OTR team.”

The timing isn’t perfect for the team affected, is it. What do you figure? 15…20 agents affected? No big deal. Hardly selfish at all.

2- Sure I have an idea what it takes. Why do you think I love playing on Sly’s team? Holy crap! He loves it and I love to watch the dots. I don’t know if your any good at it or not, but I do know you’ve bailed in the middle of the season. You should have never started the season.

MAN, if I had a guy on your team I’d be pissed at your failure.

3- Season two called. They want their complaint back. I mean really. Did you hit the wall after that third game? That was your random SIM frustration melt down point? Ahhhh!!!! I quit!!!! CLICK/SOLD.

4-No, the point in their careers was before the season started. Sure, they’ll get jobs, but shouldn’t be looking. They’ve learned a valuable lesson about judging the stability of a franchise. I hope you have apologized to them.

5-Most likely a top four seed? Oh! I didn’t know that. That changes everything! You’re a great guy! Thanks for the CPU team man!

6-Your pussy hurts.


I appreciate you being upset for agents that weren't upset... Quiet a few are friends in real life that I contacted before selling... Great try though.
 
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7. At the end of the day this is a game, and people tend to get wrapped up too deeply into it. If someone isn't having fun anymore, its time to hang it up - end of story.

If the dots are good enough, they can find homes on top quality teams. If they aren't, oh well thats how shit flows.
 
lukin83
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Originally posted by chilidave
2 Seasons ????? Shit man.....I thought I was whimping out. I have been doing EVERYTHING on the Raptors since season 5. (122 offensive outputs & 403 defensive outputs)

Sure.....we're getting our ass handed to us this season, but we compete every game....and have been promoted to A, AA, AAA and Pro League at least one season too early each time.

Last season we took a #6 seed and beat the #2 & #3 before losing to ATKM. (was not even close tbh)

Losing is no fun !!!! Sim changing every season sucks !!!! VA's coming and going suck !!!! But every team has to deal with those issues.

If nothing ever changed, and you could half ass game plan.......would that really be fun and rewarding?????

JMO


2 years. Not 2 seasons.
 
Dozer Dogmeat
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Originally posted by seanb1979
7. At the end of the day this is a game, and people tend to get wrapped up too deeply into it. If someone isn't having fun anymore, its time to hang it upat the end of the season - end of story.

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fyp
 
thunderdoozer
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I'm pretty sure that other Doozer is just busting balls for giggles, but this is turning into srs biznis in a hurry.

Feelings could get hurt. E-peens could be permanently damaged. Popcorn could be eaten.
 
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Originally posted by seanb1979
7. At the end of the day this is a game, and people tend to get wrapped up too deeply into it. If someone isn't having fun anymore, its time to hang it up - end of story.

If the dots are good enough, they can find homes on top quality teams. If they aren't, oh well thats how shit flows.


 
King of Bling
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Originally posted by thunderdoozer
I agree with all points.

Especially 6.


BTW, please return my PM Tooley O_o
 
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I just save a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to geico.
 
seanb1979
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Originally posted by coyote4848
I just save a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to geico.


i heard geico was the bees knees... any truth to this?
 
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