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I feel the FB position has some sort of penalty with it... even with an identical HB build he never catches as fluidly as a HB scatback. The biggest issue I see is he always stops to catch the ball and is slow getting to full speed. And his top speed seems slow compared to HB's with same #'s.

Has anybody else been down this road and noticed this?? My FB has almost 100 speed and 68 agility.

Will pumping up agility make it better?? I'd hate to keep dumping pts there if it's not gonna help. I have 1 piece of First Step. Another piece may help some??

Player height/weight is more than likely why you see a difference in identical builds between the two positions. I definitely notice a difference in broken tackle numbers in the FB's favor with two identical builds and height/weight is the only possible explanation (unless you believe in x-factor)..

But do you think agility to say 75 will help?

I've always found agi at 75 is a sweet spot for other positions.

Depends on what you sacrifice to reach 75 agility TBH.

Originally posted by Warlock
Depends on what you sacrifice to reach 75 agility TBH.

With AGI as a major at 0.5, a FB shouldn't have to sacrifice anything to get 75 agility.

I read your FB build guide Warlock. Very nice.

But my FB does not fit your 3 profiles. I built him custom for my team because I could never quite find the build I wanted. I must admit he started out as being our speed/outside blocker but quickly was ultra-valuable as a scatback. Teams still do not cover the FB pass very often... and when they do it opens up stuff for others.

So he's a scatback with speed/outside blocking abilities. I did have to cap STR cause his morale was a mess getting pancaked constantly. But now he's fine for his role.

I'll probably just cap agility at 74 and try for another First Step. But you're right his height/weight probably not helping. I usually take that into consideration. I might have figured that was a great speed TE build or something???

Thanks all.

Originally posted by PackMan97
With AGI as a major at 0.5, a FB shouldn't have to sacrifice anything to get 75 agility.

There's always a sacrifice or balancing of attributes... determining whether 75 agility is more valuable than say 73 speed is the real question... SPs are a limited resources, so spending them one place means you're sacrificing somewhere else.

Although I agree, 75 agility isn't all that high for a FB to reach without making sacrifices to other key attributes.

Originally posted by maddoggy71
I read your FB build guide Warlock. Very nice.

But my FB does not fit your 3 profiles. I built him custom for my team because I could never quite find the build I wanted. I must admit he started out as being our speed/outside blocker but quickly was ultra-valuable as a scatback. Teams still do not cover the FB pass very often... and when they do it opens up stuff for others.

So he's a scatback with speed/outside blocking abilities. I did have to cap STR cause his morale was a mess getting pancaked constantly. But now he's fine for his role.

I'll probably just cap agility at 74 and try for another First Step. But you're right his height/weight probably not helping. I usually take that into consideration. I might have figured that was a great speed TE build or something???

Thanks all.

My guide isn't all encompassing and it's based on using the strengths of the FB position... which IMHO is either power running or blocking. No speed ALGs make FBs one of the slowest positions on the field, so it's kind of counter-productive to make a FB that's role is based on speed. VAs can help nullify the disadvantage, but they're situational. Besides, you really have to look at the balance of the position, what are you sacrificing to add the ability to be a receiver? You're going to want at least 50 carrying and at least 40 catching, how many SP are you going to have to pull away from blocking ability to be an adequate receiver? What could those SP be used on instead? What VAs are you sacrificing to take 15 in scatback? These are the type of things that you have to contemplate, then decide if they're worth the sacrifice... will you see enough catches to make that sacrifice even worth it? As an offensive build, you're making fewer sacrifices, as some of the key attributes over lap from being a runner to a receiver (such as carrying). Plus, the offensive FB has all the supporting SAs/AEQ/VAs that compliment a receiver... while the blocking FB does not.

Anyways, just throwing out my thoughts on the subject.

My scatback FB is currently up to 113 speed and 85.86 agility and scatback VA is maxed so he should have 124 speed and 98 agility when running routes.

Hasn't been playing much offense yet, mostly special teams, and we haven't even separated the FB1/FB2 spots, so he blocks more than he runs or goes out on routes. .
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1167235

this is all I got for his receptions this season
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=936363&pbp_id=6766882
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=936384&pbp_id=12401176
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=936468&pbp_id=14287423
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=936490&pbp_id=3752964 (vs CPU team)

he also has a drop but I didn't take the time to find it.

Probably not much help, but it's something.

he looks pretty awesome for level 50. Exactly what I was hoping for.

I don't think your OC is using you to your potential.

I've thrown to the FB for awhile now. The simple fact that nobody builds a FB Scatback makes him a weapon.

Thanks for posting that Rage.

Increasing the catch skill and using the scat back vet ability has increased my catching speed. It is a more fluid catch now. Also I've been increasing my jumping...

I have one and OC for another. It requires commitment to the strategy from the Coordinator and patience on the part of the agent. Many of the viable FB routes aren't primary and catches come from checkdowns.

At the world league level, my FB still disappoints. Granted i could have devoted more to being a pure receiver, but with his stats in excess of the OP's I find that he is too easy to cover. It may be the HT/WT thing, but they are really slow in the cuts and it doesn't ever seem like the FB's really catch on the run. I don't know if its the lack of attention to FB's in design or if its the kinds of available routes, but I do feel they get the shaft a bit.

Something additional to make the routes crisp is required to be really successful.

Originally posted by funnyfingers
Increasing the catch skill and using the scat back vet ability has increased my catching speed. It is a more fluid catch now. Also I've been increasing my jumping...

You have break block AEQ on your fullback...?....and 29 yards receiving...

Is it possible that vision needs at least 2-cap in order to catch on the run? Is jump really that important, especially if you have spd/agil/catch and very little strength?

Why does anyone worry how much blocking or str a FB recieving specialist has?

Has anyone tried a str/spd catch/vis build with limited agility that breaks tackles once he has possession?

Originally posted by Roughneck
Is it possible that vision needs at least 2-cap in order to catch on the run? Is jump really that important, especially if you have spd/agil/catch and very little strength?

Why does anyone worry how much blocking or str a FB recieving specialist has?

Has anyone tried a str/spd catch/vis build with limited agility that breaks tackles once he has possession?

Vision does not need to be 2nd capped to catch in stride, catching and carrying are attributes that help with that afaik.

Because without strength and the ability to block, it's just a gimmick build that is easily shut down by a somewhat competent DC. Say for example, tagging the FB and playing a nickel formation when he is in the game, putting the 3rd CB to cover the FB. At least if you are a threat to break tackles consistently (strength) or block somewhat effectively (blocking), no one will risk putting a CB to cover you.

As for a limited agility build... good luck getting open to catch passes in the first place... it already takes a couple secs for a back to even cross the line of scrimmage to even be considered a viable target, without decent acceleration, you'll never get thrown to.