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Are hard hitting safeties successful in forcing fumbles a lot?

And does STR REALLY help when forcing fumbles?

Does pumping catching help getting INTs?

Thanks!

Not sure if STR helps force fumbles but there seems to be something in place where you have to be moving fast enough to hit the ball carrier with force in order to cause that fumble. Thus speed would be important as well as agility.

Catching is only as good as the Defense you are in and if you are close to the ball. If you're playing zone probably doesn't help a lot, if you're in Man coverage then sure catching would help if the ball is throw to the dot your guy is covering.

I don't think many FF builds (LBs or safeties) have success in forcing fumbles against equal competition. They will crush gut jobs though.

It is widely agreed (and probably a Bort quote somewhere) that strength is in the FF roll. Also important are tackle quality and momentum.

Catching is not nearly as important as being in position to intercept the ball. So speed, agility, vision, and jumping (and maybe strength as well as SAs like SV and SDC) are all probably more important than catching for INTs.

Anybody feel free to correct me if I'm off-base somewhere.

^ You seem to have it right. Strength, Tackling and Aglity and to a lessor extent Speed for FF.

Also dead on on INTs. I think one of the most important things in D is your player knowing where to go and getting there. Once that happens, then you can make the play. Focus on that, then you can try to catch the ball.

Tackling>Strength
in importance
both are factors
agility is not very important, speed is

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_game_log.pl?player_id=1166870

only one gut job

Depends. What most people consider hard hitting is probably just balanced. mid-high 60s is not hard hitting, it's just lame. Get both to 80-90 with a lot of monster hit, big hit, proper VAs, force fumble % aeq, etc... and then we'll talk about hard hitters

Originally posted by Mount Vernon
I don't think many FF builds (LBs or safeties) have success in forcing fumbles against equal competition. They will crush gut jobs though.

It is widely agreed (and probably a Bort quote somewhere) that strength is in the FF roll. Also important are tackle quality and momentum.

Catching is not nearly as important as being in position to intercept the ball. So speed, agility, vision, and jumping (and maybe strength as well as SAs like SV and SDC) are all probably more important than catching for INTs.

Anybody feel free to correct me if I'm off-base somewhere.
So, STR>CTH in the INT formula am I correct?

Originally posted by obamabaracks

So, STR>CTH in the INT formula am I correct?

Nobody really knows the formulas, and I doubt STR>CTH in the catch ball formula, but strength is more important than catching in getting a chance to intercept a ball.

So if I would like to improve my chances intercepting the ball it'll be better for me to use the STR/JMP rather than CTH/JMP?

Originally posted by obamabaracks
So if I would like to improve my chances intercepting the ball it'll be better for me to use the STR/JMP rather than CTH/JMP?


What you train depends on several factors, but yes, i would get strength higher than catching, and sooner. However, I do not have any elite CBs so take it for what it's worth.

But, some people in this thread do and they also think str>catching on a CB (it's more useful than just INTs)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2053099&page=11

I believe Vision is most important for interceptions.
then Spd + Agi to get there
The Jumping + Catching + Confidence to catch it.

but if you don't have vision and your player can't figure out where he needs to be to have a chance to intercept the ball then he never will get interceptions

Originally posted by MileHighShoes
I believe Vision is most important for interceptions.
then Spd + Agi to get there
The Jumping + Catching + Confidence to catch it.

but if you don't have vision and your player can't figure out where he needs to be to have a chance to intercept the ball then he never will get interceptions

Then why do low lvl players get a lot of ints?

Originally posted by regoob2
Then why do low lvl players get a lot of ints?

Because low level passes suck.
Interceptions are all about positioning. I don't personally believe there is any specific path a DB takes intentionally to position for interceptions, they simply capitalize on the situation (appropriate placement) when it arises based on a number of factors - vision, catching, jumping, etc. Being in the right place at the right time seems usually to be an accident.

I'm not saying by any means that a better player shouldn't or wouldn't get more interceptions in the same situation than a worse one, as they of course should. Considering a better player should be faster, see better, etc. than a worse one they would be able to see the appropriateness of their positioning and then capitalize on it more frequently. In that sense, I'm sure speed is the biggest ally, followed by catching ability (which entails some balance of catching, vision, jumping, strength, agility, carrying) the same as with a WR.

The willingness to go for an interception when the situation arises is of course no accident, as there are settings for such. Remember that playing more aggressively can leave you open to sucking overall and if you can't pull through a respectable amount of turnovers in relation to the passes you give up you gain nothing.
Also, if you see a QB throwing especially lofty on a consistent basis and you can safely expect them to do so when playing against you, it will be easier to complete interceptions if you have more time to react to the pass, and in this case using aggressive settings could be ideal.

Originally posted by PlayMe

Does pumping catching help getting INTs?
Thanks!

Catching is not important IMO Vision, Speed, Jumping, Agility, Super Vision, Strength, and Confidence are more important for ints at the higher levels.

Originally posted by regoob2
Originally posted by MileHighShoes

I believe Vision is most important for interceptions.
then Spd + Agi to get there
The Jumping + Catching + Confidence to catch it.

but if you don't have vision and your player can't figure out where he needs to be to have a chance to intercept the ball then he never will get interceptions

Then why do low lvl players get a lot of ints?

pass quality has a ton to do with it. low lvl qbs often have poor pass quality