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FYI: Something with an XP modifier for players playing below their level WILL be implemented soon, in all leagues below Pro level. There will not be a bonus for being below the median level; just a penalty for being way too high leveled for your competition. This is an effect applied to each individual player, not a team as a whole.

The exact exact formula I am going to use will not be released, but median league level will be shown on the league page so each Owner/GM/Agent knows where thier players stand. The median levels will be computed daily and the penalty will be based on your player's proximity to this avg. level number. There will be a reasonable minimum set for each region, so a whole bunch of new teams or players can't drag the level down too far.

For all the dissenters who just think things will work themselves out on their own: I urge you to take a look at the various dealings of this off-season and what owners will try to get away with when we have few limits. You cannot trust some gamers to work it out on their own. There will be a-holes who will exploit wherever they can.

Now take a look at the new capped "A" league. Any complaints of team stacking? They are working out nicely.

I can hear the complaints coming already, but if you're playing in a fair way (in the spirit of the game, and you know very well what it is) and are around the right level to compete with your league, you will see ZERO to little effect on your team and players. If you're one of the guys who's moved all your level 20's down to BBB level, well, karma's a bitch.

It's not going to affect teams near what you all think. Been following it since it was announced.

I've been following it as well. I think teams that have been together for a season won't be affected much. Teams that continue to stay together will not be hurt by this. It will really only affect a team that was gutted and all the players move to a lower league to dominate, or a team that recruits a lot of high level players in the off season.

We brought in some high level players this season but not too many. I think we'll be fine.

The biggest affect will not be on xp or team development, but on how many players will ask for trades/release. It's going to be harder than ever to hold on to the top players.

Without knowing the level cutoff, formula, and the size of the level cushion we'll be given before a penalty kicks in, I find this XP rule to be silly. It doesn't fit with the pyramid league structures and the advancement procedures. Not to mention the timing of it is going to punish a lot of guys who did play fair and within "the spirit of the game" but just got unlucky in the playoffs last season.

First, we can't control how the teams in our league develop. Maybe some HS kid buys a team and gets all his other friends on there who also can't afford to boost. Maybe there's guy who goes all CPU like the Toxins did last year. I don't know how his team will develop over the season. Should my guys be gimped on XP because they are willing to boost or want to win a championship? This league average setup gives you a headwind for trying to win and gives the do-nothing teams a tailwind. That's what is not fair, not me actually improving my team because I want a good team.

Now, everyone in the league is locked into some bizarro prisoner's dilemma where you want to sit tight and not boost so you don't hurt your player. Try to limbo under the penalty bar and not develop your guy. Before it was always good to try to do the best for yourself by boosting to get a level advantage to win games. As it stands, you're penalized XP for doing that. Of course it will always be fair if nobody boosts, or everyone boosts at the same time, but that doesn't happen. Hence my refrence to the prisoner's dilemma type situation. It should pay to defect and not cooperate with other teams about levels. But, now the only payoff is to make your lowest level guys starters to drag down the league average and hurt your competition's xp gain if your team is going to lose anyway.

Why couldn't they change this silly pyramid structure so the leagues are less bottom heavy and more of a ladder. What we've got now is severe bottleneck in the USA with teams that want have good players for the future. Why should the players who got in at the start get to be in the only league that doesn't gimp their players? Sounds like Amway to me. The guys who got in first get all the rewards while the late comers are stuck running on a treadmill without the ability to catch up. That doesn't sound too new player friendly to me.

Basically, everyone not in the Pros has a potential tax on their XP while the pro guys get off like a Congressman or Exxon. If you want to make it fair, ditch the silly XP gimping pyramid structure and have the game generate leagues and place teams in them based on average levels or total levels on day 0. That way the babies getting their ass kicked because they can't keep up with the boosters can play against someone their level every season. Cap each leagues signing level to their league average for the season and let the teams duke it out for the championship. You'll still get your little gif trophy at the end. So what if it says Season 4 Pro League #58 Champion. You still won, and won against good competition. Doing this keeps teams intact and doesn't hurt someone who has a kick ass offseason of recruiting, they'll end up playing against teams their level every season.

The pyramid structure creates a brutal bottleneck with the guys who control the Pro teams as the gatekeepers to your players potential. Nothing against them, but anyone in that position is sitting pretty. As long as they don't get bumped down they can pick and choose who gets to enjoy being better than everyone else without limitations. At least before if you couldn't get your player onto a pro team you could level up as fast as you wanted through boosts without hurting your player. Leaving the pyramid structure locks in the pro team players even more because they can level up without getting their XP gimped while everyone else gets taxed if they happen to be in a league beneath their ambition.

Make it possible for everyone to have unlimited growth without having to walk the fine line of not boosting your players too much to avoid gimping their XP. This looks so knee-jerk to me because it pretends to catch the guys who dropped down leagues, but what it really does is fvck people who recruited well and tried to set themselves up to win and advance (through a bottleneck).

Seriously, it's not my fault BBB teams were the only ones available when I bought a team. Why punish everyone who bought one that wants to build a good team and keep those guys together. Ditch the pyramid scam, deal with the growth by adding in modules, not in an Amway tax structure.

This XP cap won't affect teams that stick together and continue to level. Bort mentioned how long you've been with a team, the contract length, and boosting are all part of the equation. I have not clue what the actual equation will be, but there is mention of being 8 levels above the median before it kicks in.

only thing is with borts avg level list... the avg level for the bbb is 11.

So, what happens when someone leaves you? Goes inactive, demands a trade, dies from restless leg syndrome. Then, the only players you can recruit successfully will be below the rest of your team. It's just a silly solution to something that will be exacerbated by the pyramid bottleneck. I know I sure love the passion regressing to the mean brings out in me.

I doubt the level 20 guy on Tecmo joined that team just to be the big dick in the BBB. He liked the team and wanted to join them. He envisioned playing with them so why wait until they bump up to the A6 next year just to be kind to the rest of the BBB owners who don't have level 20s. Now, this season he gets shafted on XP and can enjoy leveling even slower than he already does at level 20. Yeah, Karma's a bitch. Get bent. Fix the fucking structure so that a team that starts the season 6 levels above everyone else doesn't have to play a cupcake schedule all year. I'm sure Tecmo would love to be in A1 or whatever battling with teams of its caliber. Going 16-0 in the BBB was probably the smallest factor in their new FS's decision.

It will probably affect very few of my guys, if any, but it is a silly solution that will hurt players more and more over time if they keep things the leagues as they are.

Originally posted by Whatsdafus
only thing is with borts avg level list... the avg level for the bbb is 11.

Which probably makes the median 13 + 8 which is 21. It will have little effect.

Originally posted by notgoing2argue
So, what happens when someone leaves you? Goes inactive, demands a trade, dies from restless leg syndrome. Then, the only players you can recruit successfully will be below the rest of your team. It's just a silly solution to something that will be exacerbated by the pyramid bottleneck. I know I sure love the passion regressing to the mean brings out in me.

I doubt the level 20 guy on Tecmo joined that team just to be the big dick in the BBB. He liked the team and wanted to join them. He envisioned playing with them so why wait until they bump up to the A6 next year just to be kind to the rest of the BBB owners who don't have level 20s. Now, this season he gets shafted on XP and can enjoy leveling even slower than he already does at level 20. Yeah, Karma's a bitch. Get bent. Fix the fucking structure so that a team that starts the season 6 levels above everyone else doesn't have to play a cupcake schedule all year. I'm sure Tecmo would love to be in A1 or whatever battling with teams of its caliber. Going 16-0 in the BBB was probably the smallest factor in their new FS's decision.

It will probably affect very few of my guys, if any, but it is a silly solution that will hurt players more and more over time if they keep things the leagues as they are.

I'm the level 20 FS... and I turned down A LOT of money and a few USA Pro teams to play for Tecmo...

Why? Sure as hell not to beat up on others. I really didn't realize that the gap was this huge. All the big money teams we're rebuilding and I wanted no part of a rebuilding team being I plan on playing for Tecmo for one to two years, pending on when my buddy gets his team and how that will work out...

I was being offered max signing bonus ($250K was the highest offer) and salaries up to $4,500-$5,000 per day. Now I went to Tecmo and said all I wanted was a 60-80K signing bonus to help me with the level 24 upgrades because I'm guessing they'll be costly and I already had 100K saved up for them. I asked for 2,500 to 3,000 per day which was on the low end of what most people were offering me.

There were Pro teams that were offering me contracts from USA but I turned them down... Why? I've been in USA Pro before and it's not as great as it's made out to be. Sure you're in with good competition but the forums are pretty boring there. Not to mention you got half the site thinking you're stuck up and arrogant because you have a player in USA Pro. Don't get me wrong, I respect the USA Pro players, but I wanted to be on a team that I could help get to USA Pro... Not just be given a free card there already.

I'm almost positive I won't be boosting until playoff time... Not to gain an advantage, but to lessen the XP blow this season. There's no XP during playoffs so they can't punish me when I level up then.

Well, there you have it. I'm kind of upset that Bort just throws this out there a day before the season starts but what do you do? I had my player researched on where I wanted my extra 15 skill points to go but this new rule made that a waste of time. But it's fine... I guess I'll just have to deal with it.

Good luck to the rest of the BBB#12 teams.. Hope you all do well, just not as well as Tecmo.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=356946

Next season, if you guys can swap up.... i suggest you do it.

Originally posted by GridIronKing34
Originally posted by notgoing2argue

So, what happens when someone leaves you? Goes inactive, demands a trade, dies from restless leg syndrome. Then, the only players you can recruit successfully will be below the rest of your team. It's just a silly solution to something that will be exacerbated by the pyramid bottleneck. I know I sure love the passion regressing to the mean brings out in me.

I doubt the level 20 guy on Tecmo joined that team just to be the big dick in the BBB. He liked the team and wanted to join them. He envisioned playing with them so why wait until they bump up to the A6 next year just to be kind to the rest of the BBB owners who don't have level 20s. Now, this season he gets shafted on XP and can enjoy leveling even slower than he already does at level 20. Yeah, Karma's a bitch. Get bent. Fix the fucking structure so that a team that starts the season 6 levels above everyone else doesn't have to play a cupcake schedule all year. I'm sure Tecmo would love to be in A1 or whatever battling with teams of its caliber. Going 16-0 in the BBB was probably the smallest factor in their new FS's decision.

It will probably affect very few of my guys, if any, but it is a silly solution that will hurt players more and more over time if they keep things the leagues as they are.

I'm the level 20 FS... and I turned down A LOT of money and a few USA Pro teams to play for Tecmo...

Why? Sure as hell not to beat up on others. I really didn't realize that the gap was this huge. All the big money teams we're rebuilding and I wanted no part of a rebuilding team being I plan on playing for Tecmo for one to two years, pending on when my buddy gets his team and how that will work out...

I was being offered max signing bonus ($250K was the highest offer) and salaries up to $4,500-$5,000 per day. Now I went to Tecmo and said all I wanted was a 60-80K signing bonus to help me with the level 24 upgrades because I'm guessing they'll be costly and I already had 100K saved up for them. I asked for 2,500 to 3,000 per day which was on the low end of what most people were offering me.

There were Pro teams that were offering me contracts from USA but I turned them down... Why? I've been in USA Pro before and it's not as great as it's made out to be. Sure you're in with good competition but the forums are pretty boring there. Not to mention you got half the site thinking you're stuck up and arrogant because you have a player in USA Pro. Don't get me wrong, I respect the USA Pro players, but I wanted to be on a team that I could help get to USA Pro... Not just be given a free card there already.

I'm almost positive I won't be boosting until playoff time... Not to gain an advantage, but to lessen the XP blow this season. There's no XP during playoffs so they can't punish me when I level up then.

Well, there you have it. I'm kind of upset that Bort just throws this out there a day before the season starts but what do you do? I had my player researched on where I wanted my extra 15 skill points to go but this new rule made that a waste of time. But it's fine... I guess I'll just have to deal with it.

Good luck to the rest of the BBB#12 teams.. Hope you all do well, just not as well as Tecmo.

Well said.

Originally posted by Whatsdafus
http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=356946

Next season, if you guys can swap up.... i suggest you do it.

If we don't make it out of the BBB 12 this year we'll be swapping for sure.

Originally posted by Unconquered
Originally posted by Whatsdafus

http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=356946

Next season, if you guys can swap up.... i suggest you do it.

If we don't make it out of the BBB 12 this year we'll be swapping for sure.


Yeah we will, but one of the main goals we have is to go from BBB, to the US Pro League.

That would be quite an accomplishment.