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Here is a response from Admin Max Zorin

Originally posted by Max Zorin
Hey Rob,

Augh, I'm sorry to hear that things are going downhill with Pee Wee. In the past Darkus has been the eyes and ears of Pee Wee, but he seems to have fallen silent on that lately...and I was not entirely aware of how bad things were there.

Like you say, getting in contact with Bort directly is probably not going to happen, but I can offer up some kind of alternative...

If you guys, the collective Pee Wee owners/players/etc, can compile a list of issues/complaints (most notably specific to Pee Wee), I would be more than happy to pass those on to Bort directly. It's best if it's not a tl;dr wall of text, nor a super negative gripe fest, as Bort will be less inclined to fully read through either. A concise, clear list of constrictive criticism would be great. If these are just flat out issues (chem, please just list them). If there are more in depth issues (not enough players), and you guys have some ideas on getting those resolved, please offer up some ideas if you have any. If there is already a thread going on with these issues being discussed, that's great, and I can take that link to Bort.

I can assure you it's not an issue of him not caring about Pee Wee, it's more an issue of him just not being fully aware of how bad the issues are. If we can get those concerns to him, I know he will look over them. As usual, I have to offer the disclaimer, that I can't promise anything after I pass things on. But I would really hope in this case, something will be done. And I know he'd be willing to listen to what you guys have to say.

So yeah, if you guys want to compile that info and send it to me, or just link me up to a thread that I can pass to Bort, that would be great. And again, I am sorry to see this happening... I hope it can get resolved!


- Max


So we need to get a list of issues together for Bort to look at. I will compile a list of the most pressing issues and have them delivered to Bort so if you can please post your issues in this thread that would be AWESOME

RULES

1. try to limit posts in this thread to Issues you are noticing with pee wee
2. PLEASE keep trolling and flaming to a minimum, This is a super serious thread and I will report you.


This is our chance to get Bort involved with improving Pee Wee, please let's not ruin it.

Peewee Issues:

* Passing = Passing was always somewhat tricky at the peewee level (understandably), but in S10/S11 it was good enough to get by towards the middle/end of the season. In the current sim/state their is NO CHANCE of running a balanced offense or even completing a pass when needed in long yardage situations.

Solution: Find a way to buff the passing game or return it to what it was in the past (but not over powered [i.e. around a 45-50% completion rate - we just want a chance]).


* Too many peewee teams / too few peewee players (rather self explanatory):

Solution: Reduce the number of peewee leagues/teams and/or reduce peewee rosters to 40-45 players.


* No more Day 31 players [Darkus's suggestion] = This would make recruiting easier for all teams involved in peewee football. It would also give new team owners a chance to compete (as they don't have to recruit an entire roster before they get their team).

Solution: Only players with ZERO (0) Experience Points can sign onto a peewee team [i.e. players made after Day40].


* Peewee Needs Its Own Mods!!! = There are a number of quality agents who could fill this role (Robbnva topping the list) who can give the peewee forums the attention they deserve and who have the knoweldge and support of the peewee community to keep our forums running smoothly. These new mods could also serve to support Darkus in the role of peewee 'eye's & ears', as communication (game wide) is one of the biggest issues and problems with the current game.

Solution: Throw us a bone, make a few peewee specific mods (i.e. Robbnva, Lordevil.... plus others).






....more to come.

Issue List:

#1- Lack of Pee Wee Mods- at least give us one or two. I'm sure plenty of people would volunteer.
#2- Reduce the # of teams- I'm ok with 1 gold league, but I would like to see 4 silver leagues and then whatever # of copper leagues fill out all of the teams. Therefore, there shouldn't be any CPU teams. The decrease in silver leagues would make them tougher than the numbered leagues used to be. Right now, they are about the same strength as the numbered leagues were IMO.
#3- Passing- Fixing it would be nice, but I think giving every pee wee QB a +20 throwing EQ would not be a bad idea. Also, giving every WR +10 catching EQ. This would be independent from other EQ and it would be removed at the end of the season. For blocking WRs, they could now catch short passes too. Also, this would avoid any changes to the sim specifically for pee wee, which seems unlikely.

Overblown Issues:

#1- day 31 players- I don't think this is as major of a problem, but it could be helped by reducing the # of teams.
#2- roster size- I think 55 is perfect, and I don't think it needs to be lowered because outside of Gold, you can win with less. My team had 45 players on the roster last season that played and we did pretty well.

My issue is that there is way to many pee wee teams, the number of teams need to be scaled back to a reasonable number, Owners simply can't fill rosters and get frustrated and sell the team back because they can't compete.

I also agree with the suggestion of no more day 31 players, although I am not sure if it can be implemented.

Rob... if you look at the suggestions thread.. you can clearly see that at least in regard to passing, they know what it's like, and they believe that how it is is now is how it should be (if they don't i can't recall off hand where anyone said so). They also all but admit that the only way to really fix it is either through specific testing, or a change of game code. requesting changes in game code is all but a sure fire way to have your idea dismissed, and asking for testing to be done will just open the door to anyone who opposes the idea the green flag to imply that everyone asking for it has no idea what they are talking about.

I don't have time right now, but later i am going to get a list of the non constructive responses that were tolerated when Pee Wee owners tried to present their complaint calmly and follow the process they were told to follow by moderators just to highlight how much negative comments were allowed to be thrown at people trying to rationally state their case.


Edit: i withdraw this idea due to lack of relevance to the problem being targeted... even though it's still a big problem, it's not PeeWee specific.

Originally posted by Sanderval


I don't have time right now, but later i am going to get a list of the non constructive responses that were tolerated when Pee Wee owners tried to present their complaint calmly and follow the process they were told to follow by moderators just to highlight how much negative comments were allowed to be thrown at people trying to rationally state their case.

+100000, I directly stated in my OP that trolls aren't welcome and the people who don't even own a PW QB should also stay out.

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Originally posted by Thunder66
Peewee Issues:

* Passing = Passing was always somewhat tricky at the peewee level (understandably), but in S10/S11 it was good enough to get by towards the middle/end of the season. In the current sim/state their is NO CHANCE of running a balanced offense or even completing a pass when needed in long yardage situations.

Solution: Find a way to buff the passing game or return it to what it was in the past (but not over powered [i.e. around a 45-50% completion rate - we just want a chance]).


* Too many peewee teams / too few peewee players (rather self explanatory):

Solution: Reduce the number of peewee leagues/teams and/or reduce peewee rosters to 40-45 players.


* No more Day 31 players [Darkus's suggestion] = This would make recruiting easier for all teams involved in peewee football. It would also give new team owners a chance to compete (as they don't have to recruit an entire roster before they get their team).

Solution: Only players with ZERO (0) Experience Points can sign onto a peewee team [i.e. players made after Day40].


* Peewee Needs Its Own Mods!!! = There are a number of quality agents who could fill this role (Robbnva topping the list) who can give the peewee forums the attention they deserve and who have the knoweldge and support of the peewee community to keep our forums running smoothly. These new mods could also serve to support Darkus in the role of peewee 'eye's & ears', as communication (game wide) is one of the biggest issues and problems with the current game.

Solution: Throw us a bone, make a few peewee specific mods (i.e. Robbnva, Lordevil.... plus others).






....more to come.


This about sums it up, except I don't see the Capital Mod under your user name..

Originally posted by Thunder66
Peewee Issues:

* Passing = Passing was always somewhat tricky at the peewee level (understandably), but in S10/S11 it was good enough to get by towards the middle/end of the season. In the current sim/state their is NO CHANCE of running a balanced offense or even completing a pass when needed in long yardage situations.

Solution: Find a way to buff the passing game or return it to what it was in the past (but not over powered [i.e. around a 45-50% completion rate - we just want a chance]).


* Too many peewee teams / too few peewee players (rather self explanatory):

Solution: Reduce the number of peewee leagues/teams and/or reduce peewee rosters to 40-45 players.


* No more Day 31 players [Darkus's suggestion] = This would make recruiting easier for all teams involved in peewee football. It would also give new team owners a chance to compete (as they don't have to recruit an entire roster before they get their team).

Solution: Only players with ZERO (0) Experience Points can sign onto a peewee team [i.e. players made after Day40].


* Peewee Needs Its Own Mods!!! = There are a number of quality agents who could fill this role (Robbnva topping the list) who can give the peewee forums the attention they deserve and who have the knoweldge and support of the peewee community to keep our forums running smoothly. These new mods could also serve to support Darkus in the role of peewee 'eye's & ears', as communication (game wide) is one of the biggest issues and problems with the current game.

Solution: Throw us a bone, make a few peewee specific mods (i.e. Robbnva, Lordevil.... plus others).






....more to come.

I'll go with this, provided of course that we know before it is time to renew team ownership what if any changes will be made. Buying a pig in a poke is getting old.

I can mod...

Originally posted by Thunder66
Peewee Issues:

* Passing = Passing was always somewhat tricky at the peewee level (understandably), but in S10/S11 it was good enough to get by towards the middle/end of the season. In the current sim/state their is NO CHANCE of running a balanced offense or even completing a pass when needed in long yardage situations.

Solution: Find a way to buff the passing game or return it to what it was in the past (but not over powered [i.e. around a 45-50% completion rate - we just want a chance]).


* Too many peewee teams / too few peewee players (rather self explanatory):

Solution: Reduce the number of peewee leagues/teams and/or reduce peewee rosters to 40-45 players.


* No more Day 31 players [Darkus's suggestion] = This would make recruiting easier for all teams involved in peewee football. It would also give new team owners a chance to compete (as they don't have to recruit an entire roster before they get their team).

Solution: Only players with ZERO (0) Experience Points can sign onto a peewee team [i.e. players made after Day40].


* Peewee Needs Its Own Mods!!! = There are a number of quality agents who could fill this role (Robbnva topping the list) who can give the peewee forums the attention they deserve and who have the knoweldge and support of the peewee community to keep our forums running smoothly. These new mods could also serve to support Darkus in the role of peewee 'eye's & ears', as communication (game wide) is one of the biggest issues and problems with the current game.

Solution: Throw us a bone, make a few peewee specific mods (i.e. Robbnva, Lordevil.... plus others).






....more to come.


+1

I agree with Thunder also

I'll defer to you guys who have had teams longer. However, I do agree with the list Thunder66 put up. Its pretty much the issues I have seen with the league. I don't know about cutting back on teams. I thought the idea there was that you could get a team. Yeah, there's a wait list, but most of the people on the wait list get teams in the off-season. Anyway, I'll give this one a +1.

Originally posted by shadowmane
I'll defer to you guys who have had teams longer. However, I do agree with the list Thunder66 put up. Its pretty much the issues I have seen with the league. I don't know about cutting back on teams. I thought the idea there was that you could get a team. Yeah, there's a wait list, but most of the people on the wait list get teams in the off-season. Anyway, I'll give this one a +1.

if you look around the leagues right now you will se a ton of teams that are either CPU or teams that have a roster full of CPUs


teams just can't recruit because there are more people willing to buy teams and there is not enough willing to create the players.

There are 25 leagues, each league has 32 teams (16 per conference) now if each team has a minimum of 40 man roster, we are talking about 32,000 pee wee players

now if you assume most teams want to get the max 55 man roster, we are talking about 44K players

and the demand to create that many players just isn't there.

I think we keep the Gold League, keep the 8 Silver league since we need feeders into Gold, and than have 7 copper to make it an even 16 leagues or a little over 20K players.