Warrior General Games

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1406

200 pass plays - 1 DT sack

matchup for sack

DT
Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 100
Speed: 70
Agility: 100
Jumping: 20
Stamina: 50
Vision: 50
Confidence: 50

Football Skills
Blocking: 25
Catching: 10
Tackling: 50
Throwing: 10
Carrying: 9
Kicking: 9
Punting: 8

Special Abilities
Pass Rusher Abilities
The Glare: 5
Shed Blocks: 5
Swat Ball: 3
Strong Base: 3
Big Sack: 3

Run Stuffer Abilities
Wall: 4
Break Through: 1
Snarl: 0
Big Hit: 0
D-Line General: 0

Typical C (Lv. 40 C)
Ht/Wt: 6'2", 291lbs


Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 100
Speed: 50
Agility: 65
Jumping: 20
Stamina: 50
Vision: 50
Confidence: 50

Football Skills
Blocking: 90
Catching: 10
Tackling: 10
Throwing: 10
Carrying: 9
Kicking: 8
Punting: 9

Special Abilities
Pass Blocking Abilities
Pass Block: 7
Strong Arm: 3
Shock Block: 3
Foundation: 5
Line General: 9

Run Blocking Abilities
Run Block: 6
Get Low: 2
Hands: 1
Cut Block: 2
Pancake: 4

needs moar speed

the NT's tore it up with hurries

The NTs did get a metric shit ton of hurries. I imagine with more Speed the DTs/NTs would've had more sacks. I am concerned at how shittily built the OL is, though. It's like being graded on a curve. Except you're one of the smart kids who is getting the short end of the stick because of all the dumbasses.

Originally posted by Redrover
the NT's tore it up with hurries

Against OL built like that, I would hope so. That C should have 15 more strength, 5 more blocking and 5-10 more agility against that DT or you could give the C 20-25 more strength, 10 more blocking, 10 more agility, and give the DT a bunch more SAs.

Looking at the results, a DT is going to have to get a huge mismatch against an OL to do anything.

Lvl 47 C with no CE
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=941336

Lvl 60 DT getting offers from AAA teams
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=349185

The 47 C is closer to the build on the test server than the 60 DT is.

I don't see what the problem is if this defender, who lacks the speed to physically get to the QB before the pass is thrown, is consistently beating the inferior blocker for hurries.

You can't use your operational definition of "beats the blocker" as "gets a sack". It just doesn't work. There's a fine balance between even being able to shed blocks and being fast enough to get to the QB, and only elite builds seem to be able to do this somewhat consistently (and rightfully so).

It's like, why would I expect a 140 strength 60 speed 140 agility NT to get sacks against a 80 strength 80 blocking 50 agility C? I wouldn't. I'd expect p much every play to be a hurry though.

Originally posted by Jack Del Rio
I don't see what the problem is if this defender, who lacks the speed to physically get to the QB before the pass is thrown, is consistently beating the inferior blocker for hurries.

You can't use your operational definition of "beats the blocker" as "gets a sack". It just doesn't work. There's a fine balance between even being able to shed blocks and being fast enough to get to the QB, and only elite builds seem to be able to do this somewhat consistently (and rightfully so).

It's like, why would I expect a 140 strength 60 speed 140 agility NT to get sacks against a 80 strength 80 blocking 50 agility C? I wouldn't. I'd expect p much every play to be a hurry though.

Because the only way the DTs are beating the block is when there is a huge mismatch. Look at this game
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/game.pl?game_id=1450
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game_summaries/1450.txt (player builds)

The DTs in this game get no hurries, no sacks. The test DE that gets 6 hurries and 1 sack has 120 speed and 85 agility, and is usually unblocked because there is a 6 man blitz on most plays where the LOT tries to help inside.

Threads like this ruin the value of "surprise anal sex."

Here are the attributes of Freson DL vs. Miami OL (you can look at SAs by clicking on link above)

NT 107.5 strength, 63.5 speed, 95 agility
NT 114 strength, 61.5 speed, 81 agility
DT 76 strength, 73 speed, 115 agility
DT 77.5 strength, 77.5 speed, 105 agility


C 108 strength, 90 blocking, 70.5 agility, 55 speed
C 97.5 strength, 97.5 blocking, 70.5 agility, 50 speed
RG 109.5 strength, 82.5 blocking, 71 agility, 57.5 speed
RG 106 strength, 90 blocking, 71.5 agility, 57.5 speed
LG 114 strength, 82 blocking, 72 agility, 56.5 speed
LG 107 strength, 74 blocking, 69 agility, 63 speed

Originally posted by tautology
Threads like this ruin the value of "surprise anal sex."



This is one the rare times that I truley laughed out loud.

Here is another game

http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1451&pbp_id=315315

The Fresno NT
120 strength, 95 agility, speed 70

Opposing RG (NT is lined up over RG in Sim)
105 strength, 105 blocking, 75 agility, 55 speed

he is able to get hurries, but they look like this
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1451&pbp_id=315305
http://test.goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=1451&pbp_id=315315

from what I can tell it's all about strength though. If interior DL is stronger than the OL he is matched against, he has a shot. If not, then you need a lucky roll to beat him.

I just started a pass rush DT, rolled high agility.....probably take agl to 73........am I wasting my time building my DT this way?????

To be honest rage those are terrible dt builds..That says nothing on rather a good dt can get sacks..A good dt is about 85, 85, 110..strength, speed agility..and 10 shed blocks, and 15 heavyweight

Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
To be honest rage those are terrible dt builds..That says nothing on rather a good dt can get sacks..A good dt is about 85, 85, 110..strength, speed agility..and 10 shed blocks, and 15 heavyweight

Is that good DT going to be able to break enough blocks to even use that 85 speed? A good G/C that he would go up against would have 205+ points of strength/agility combination and good blocking. I guess that's where the balance comes in like Jack said.

Originally posted by CincyFan
Originally posted by TheInstantClassic
Is that good DT going to be able to break enough blocks to even use that 85 speed? A good G/C that he would go up against would have 205+ points of strength/agility combination and good blocking. I guess that's where the balance comes in like Jack said.

Speed isnt just for running..Its for how fast you move..not just agility..Those top dts you see who cake 2 people in like 2 seconds have 85/90 speed..and moderate strength