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Strength is officially the 2nd best attribute for QBs. Vision and Confidence aren't even close tbqh.

Originally posted by Kayoh
Strength is officially the 2nd best attribute for QBs. Vision and Confidence aren't even close tbqh.

Please explain yourself.

Originally posted by Kayoh
Strength is officially the 2nd best attribute for QBs. Vision and Confidence aren't even close tbqh.

"Officially" nothing. Bort is the only one who could officially state something like that, and he would never do that. So fail more please

For starters, there is seriously no need to insult me or my intelligence. If you're going to say something, say something about my declaration, not me.

That being said, I don't have a TON of hard proof, but I do have SOME.

For starters? This guy http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1170920 has 100 Throwing, 80 Vision, and 70 Confidence. His WRs are built extremely well; every one of them has 100+ Speed, 70+ Agility, 60+ Catching, and 50+ Vision. So why does he have such shitty numbers? Because he throws an obnoxious amount of PDs, because his arm isn't strong enough to gun it in there; he gives defensive backs too much time to react, despite passing on 100% bullet. His WRs don't have a whole lot of drops; like I said, there are just a TON of PDs on the defensive side for the other team in the box score.

By contrast, this guy http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1485979 has almost 100 Throwing (97.2 to be exact), 25 vision, and quite a bit more Strength than the aforementioned QB. Not a single one of his WRs has more than 70 Speed. Why is he so flipping amazing? Because he's got the arm strength to get it to the WR without giving the CB enough time to react.

Finally, and probably my personal favorite for argument's sake, this guy http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=940136 has 100+ Throwing and around 80 Strength. You see the stats for yourself.

The idea is that when your QB has low strength, it truly limits your playbook. A QB with high strength can make all the throws, so to be completely blunt, your OC stops mattering. If you've got a team with a decent run blocking OL and a high strength QB, you can literally win a game without selecting any specific plays. High strength QBs are an asset to any team.

Are all three examples set to 100% bullet?

The first two are. Not sure what the third one is on.

100% bullet is wrong setting. Anything over 50~60% leads to increased drops & pass deflections. I think is not a lack of strength issue but a settings issue for 1st QB. Surely higher strength helps but saying that is the second best attribute after throwing, I think is wrong.

Originally posted by Kenshinzen
100% bullet is wrong setting. Anything over 50~60% leads to increased drops & pass deflections. I think is not a lack of strength issue but a settings issue for 1st QB. Surely higher strength helps but saying that is the second best attribute after throwing, I think is wrong.
so throwing less hard means less deflections? lolno

Vision is by far the 2nd most important attribute, IMO

Originally posted by Narbomb
Vision is by far the 2nd most important attribute, IMO

your completely wrong. IMO

I personally am beginning to think that Vision isn't worth having over 75 or so.

Originally posted by Kayoh
Originally posted by Kenshinzen

100% bullet is wrong setting. Anything over 50~60% leads to increased drops & pass deflections. I think is not a lack of strength issue but a settings issue for 1st QB. Surely higher strength helps but saying that is the second best attribute after throwing, I think is wrong.
so throwing less hard means less deflections? lolno

read the following thread: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=3244629

Originally posted by Kayoh

so throwing less hard means less deflections? lolno

If you had higher vision, you'd lead your WRs, throwing into places only he can get to, hence, Vision is the 2nd most important attribute. Even confidence has a better chance than strength just because of the mass amounts of SAs that can cause you to snowball. Like Ken said, throwing harder will result in more drops, knocked loose and bobbles, which can register as PDs.

And your examples just prove that determining which attributes are more important is based on too many variants. The 1st QB in that link is the backup. The main QB is a rushing QB. Checking the box scores, like you claim have a TON of PDs, you only have 2 games with over 10 PDs... In the Pro Leages you'll have 10+ PDs on average every game, FOR BOTH TEAMS

The 2nd QB is on an undefeated team. You beat them on average 100-1. What does that prove? That a QB in a below average League has good stats?

You come in here with your rented tux and make a claim that strength is officially the 2nd best attribute like Bort died and made you Owner. Next time, if you don't want your intelligence to be insulted, approach the claim more intelligently.

I would say or provide better examples, but you can't prove things like this. But the basis behind the attributes clearly has vision as a secondary attribute behind throwing itself. Then maybe strength or confidence.

Originally posted by Sain621
If you had higher vision, you'd lead your WRs, throwing into places only he can get to, hence, Vision is the 2nd most important attribute. Even confidence has a better chance than strength just because of the mass amounts of SAs that can cause you to snowball. Like Ken said, throwing harder will result in more drops, knocked loose and bobbles, which can register as PDs.

And your examples just prove that determining which attributes are more important is based on too many variants. The 1st QB in that link is the backup. The main QB is a rushing QB. Checking the box scores, like you claim have a TON of PDs, you only have 2 games with over 10 PDs... In the Pro Leages you'll have 10+ PDs on average every game, FOR BOTH TEAMS

The 2nd QB is on an undefeated team. You beat them on average 100-1. What does that prove? That a QB in a below average League has good stats?

You come in here with your rented tux and make a claim that strength is officially the 2nd best attribute like Bort died and made you Owner. Next time, if you don't want your intelligence to be insulted, approach the claim more intelligently.

I would say or provide better examples, but you can't prove things like this. But the basis behind the attributes clearly has vision as a secondary attribute behind throwing itself. Then maybe strength or confidence.
Okay, first of all, the first QB I listed just so happens to be the QB on MY TEAM. Don't be trying to tell me which QB on MY TEAM is the starter and which one is the backup. You're out of line on that one. We have one passing QB and one rushing QB. The passer (the link I showed you) has 100 Throwing, 80 Vision, and 70 Confidence. Our passing offense is completely lethargic. That QB generally has 1-3 "bad pass" type of throws a game, which doesn't explain his terrible completion percentage. Our WRs don't generally get a ton of drops, either. The problem is that every CB on GLB is built like a shutdown corner, so your WRs won't always be able to create separation. How do you compensate for the lack of separation? Higher jumping/catching on your WRs and higher Strength on your QB. It's not rocket science, it's common sense.

And the 2nd QB I posted is on an undefeated team for a reason. Not because of a lack of decent competition, that's for sure. That conference isn't the best, but the fact of the matter is that the team is just that goddamned good that they make other decent teams look like shit. The one team that beat us in an unranked friendly outleveled us across the board by no less than 2 at every position. 10 SPs across an entire team is what it took to beat that team. They're a freak team.

What the hell are you talking about a rented tux? Lighten the fuck up. I mean, straight up, I do believe that Strength is the 2nd best attribute to QBs in today's metagame, but you took my post way too seriously.

You want to know why your Offense is lethargic? All you need to do is watch the PBP and you'll understand. I watched 1 Half of one of your games and I could already see the problem.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=748444&pbp_id=15397974
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=748444&pbp_id=15398222
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=748444&pbp_id=15398653

Can you see the problem? Like Ken said, 100% Bullet will have no arc in your passes. From Christ sake, a D-Lineman deflected a pass. I haven't had a Lineman deflect one of my passes since the Seasons were in single digits. Strength has nothing to do with this. A bit of arc in your passes, and maybe some God damn vision instead of throwing into double or triple coverage, and maybe you'd have more success. 80 Vision in similar competition doesn't do justice. Like your QB, mine has 100 throwing and 70 confidence. My QBs vision is 95 however, and in the greater competition of the Pro League, my QB is doing fine. His strength is at 70, and I watch his PBP for every single game. I don't see a problem with deep balls. My QB hits WRs in stride whether it's 10 yards deep or 30 yards deep. Anything deeper and Ball Hawk will eat you alive. So I'll be raising confidence and agility before I stress myself with strength.

What I'm having a problem with is not you believing Strength is the better attribute. For all I care, you could put all your points on Strength and raise it to 200. I don't give a fuck. What bothers me is you come in here with your shitty evidence, and your high horse saying "officially" strength is the 2nd best attribute. There's a difference between fact and opinion, and what bothers me is you took your opinion and made it a fact.

Originally posted by Kayoh

I mean, straight up, I do believe that Strength is the 2nd best attribute to QBs in today's metagame, but you took my post way too seriously.

If this was your OP, then there wouldn't be a problem. Cause "I believe" clearly states its YOUR opinion, and not the way things, in fact, are.

I'm curious, nowhere in this thread is strength given a number by you. I find it weird that in a thread where you're claiming strength is 2nd most important, you give vague values like "low strength".