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My kicker can get his kicking to the 77 cap right now.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1501088 with 11 SPs.


I'm wondering if it's worth it. I mean, you only gain 2 attributes in kicking by getting to the 6th cap. Wouldn't it be more worthwhile to start pumping up confidence 2 levels early than have like 97 kicking rather than 95 kicking by level 40?

Do those 2 points make a big enough difference to justify 10 SPs to raise 2 points?

thoughts.

FWIW, I'm completely open minded on this and just want to see opinions. My mind is not set which is why I didn't allocate the SPs yet, but have to soon.

Yes, imo.

The truth of a kicker is that you are going to run out of things to spend SPs on, and its going to happen before level 55. Thats why I would take kicking to 77.

You can never have too much kicking/punting. If you leave it alone now, you will regret it later, as ry was suggesting.

I plan on only taking it to 74 on my latest kicker. On my first kicker Grundle, I took both K/Con to the third cap, and I'm quite happy with this build. And he's no where near running out of things to spend SP on. I plan on taking strength to fifth cap, capping agility (probably 2 cap), and finishing CN & BB to 10. That's going to take him well past level 55.

My latest punter went to 78 on punting and I kind of wish I'd stopped at 74.

Really it's a difference of 2 punting down the road. I'm not so sure the increase in the number of levels it takes to get everything else rounded out is worth the 4 levels of SP you'll spend to get an additional 2 points in punting/kicking.

But I'm in the minority on this WRT the hardcore P/K builders' opinions. FWIW I'd trust toppshelf's advice before mine

toppshelf is like PunterU! Just look at his averages for your answer!

Originally posted by rywagner
Yes, imo.

The truth of a kicker is that you are going to run out of things to spend SPs on, and its going to happen before level 55. Thats why I would take kicking to 77.

never thought of it this way, that's a good argument.

Originally posted by toppshelff
You can never have too much kicking/punting. If you leave it alone now, you will regret it later, as ry was suggesting.

so you subscribe to which theory exactly of building.

I mean, you do have a bajillion punters. 6 cap kick, then 5 cap confidence?

Originally posted by RobertRJS
Originally posted by toppshelff

You can never have too much kicking/punting. If you leave it alone now, you will regret it later, as ry was suggesting.

so you subscribe to which theory exactly of building.

I mean, you do have a bajillion punters. 6 cap kick, then 5 cap confidence?

Punting is worth twice the value of agility, strength, vision, imho. Therefore, if you expect you will get those to the 3rd cap, I'd consider getting punting to the 6th cap. Of course, I'd get punting there first.

For confidence, I'd recommend 4th or 5th cap. Could go 6th if you wanted to push it. My best punters have confidence near 100.

thanks man, you've helped a bunch.

i have been convinced to go to the 6th cap.

BTW, topshelf...my punter and kicker have identical builds except for blocking, tackling, catching, and carrying (besides kick/punt of course).

one has 99 in blocking tackling and the other 99 in catching carrying.

the punter has a 57 lolbar and the kicker 54lolbar. So, is it the catching carrying adding to the lolbar or are the calculations different (confidence weighted more for a kicker)?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1501088

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1501034

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73-cap for kicking or punting is enough in my opinion

gets it to 100 naturally by level 50 with the level ups and you miss out on better leveling up for the rest of your attributes

when you also consider that you put all your equipment into kicking or punting there's no reason to go beyond the 73-cap

73-cap kicking/punting
68-cap confidence, vision, strength, agility

take all SA's to 10+ (some of it through AE)

and if you get all that done, you still have speed, tackling (more players that can tackle returners is always a good thing) and jumping

my level 33 punter with all equipment removed

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 25.83
Speed: 29.83
Agility: 39.83
Jumping: 19.83
Stamina: 8
Vision: 67.83
Confidence: 77.5

Football Skills
Blocking: 8
Catching: 8
Tackling: 9
Throwing: 14.83
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 8
Punting: 92.5 - stopped at 73-cap - has now auto leveled to here - this is 118.5 with equipment at only level 32

Special Abilities
Punting Abilities
Calm Nerves: 2
Hang Time: 0
Big Boot: 0

Veteran Abilities
Clutch: 1
Motivational Speaker: 1
Nail in the Coffin: 6

Definitely agree with toppshelf on this one. My punter is already out of good training options and running out of good SP investments except more SAs. I definitely regret only hitting the 68 cap, but season 5 was a different time... when few people touched confidence on punters, let alone 68+ capped it. toppshelf is a pioneer on that front and the man to listen to on punters.

If you want to 68 cap strength, agility, vision, you definitely want to 6 cap punting. It's that much more valuable.

Originally posted by RobertRJS
BTW, topshelf...my punter and kicker have identical builds except for blocking, tackling, catching, and carrying (besides kick/punt of course).

one has 99 in blocking tackling and the other 99 in catching carrying.

the punter has a 57 lolbar and the kicker 54lolbar. So, is it the catching carrying adding to the lolbar or are the calculations different (confidence weighted more for a kicker)?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1501088

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1501034

viewable for all.

Confidence has been shown to be weighed more on a kicker. 2/9 on kicker, 1/8 on punter, iirc.

OK, just ran a few numbers for the sake of clarity - there are tradeoffs for pushing the envelope on caps.

For a punter, let's assume you can get 68 punting at level 9, 74 punting at level 12, 78 punting at level 14, 81 punting at level 16. I realize that if you build properly you can do it faster, but that doesn't really matter; once at 68 it will take about the same number of levels to get to the next cap.

So, here are the numbers:

If the Punter stops at 68 (3rd cap) he will have 92, 96, and 98 punting natural at levels 40, 50 and 60 respectively.

If the Punter stops at 74 (4th cap) he will have 95, 99, and 101 punting natural at levels 40, 50 and 60 respectively
This at a cost of 12 SP over the one who stopped at 68

If the Punter stops at 78 (5th cap) he will have 97, 101, and 103 punting natural at levels 40, 50 and 60 respectively
This at a cost of 10 SP over the one who stopped at 74

If the Punter stops at 81 (6th cap) he will have 98, 102, and 104 punting natural at levels 40, 50 and 60 respectively
This at a cost of 6 SP over the one who stopped at 78

Originally posted by RobertRJS
My kicker can get his kicking to the 77 cap right now.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1501088 with 11 SPs.


I'm wondering if it's worth it. I mean, you only gain 2 attributes in kicking by getting to the 6th cap. Wouldn't it be more worthwhile to start pumping up confidence 2 levels early than have like 97 kicking rather than 95 kicking by level 40?

Do those 2 points make a big enough difference to justify 10 SPs to raise 2 points?

thoughts.

FWIW, I'm completely open minded on this and just want to see opinions. My mind is not set which is why I didn't allocate the SPs yet, but have to soon.

I can tell you from experience that you don't need to take kicking that high. While kicking is the most important attribute, you will easily surpass 120/130 if you put all EQ into kicker. Kicking does require other attributes such as agility that you will eventually need to spend SPs on.