Warrior General Games

Basically, i've played in 3 blowout preseason games [two against two similarily bad teams and the 3rd against a team that should have been better than the previous two] and i've noticed something with my stat line. I changed the running style for each game:


23 144.0 6.3 3
25 195.0 7.8 3
24 199.0 8.3 5

The three games were done on +100 [super elusive], 99 elusive and then 50.
99 seemed heaps better than 100, but 50 seemed even better than that considering the 3rd team wasnt quite as bad as the previous two.

I want my guy to get his best results on REALLY elusive styles... not 50. is this possible or do most guys find that the really elusive styles dont work as well?

What is your agility, my HB is also lv 25 and mine is 73 w/ EQ. To run really elusive you need a lot in quick cut and a high agility to be able to maneuver without losing speed and can fake guys out.

80+ with equipment. due to EQ i have 3 thus far in quick cut. Maybe i should just be patient and expect to be able to use more elsuive bar styles as my build nears completion?

Carrying is also important for running elusively, even 80 agility and 10 quick cut won't guarantee elusiveness without good carrying.

Originally posted by Squab
Carrying is also important for running elusively, even 80 agility and 10 quick cut won't guarantee elusiveness without good carrying.

never heard that one before...

Originally posted by Squab
Carrying is also important for running elusively, even 80 agility and 10 quick cut won't guarantee elusiveness without good carrying.

lolwhat

True story, would you like proof?

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=709282&pbp_id=1147222

i have like 0 carrying, fyi

It doesn't so much manifest itself as much early in player's careers, or against lesser competition. But if you want to have success against higher levels, I believe you need carrying. When I was that level last year, with no carrying, which I still pretty much have, I was tearing it up too. It's been revealed as I've been playing against some higher level competition though.

bort did say that it was the single most important attribute for a HB.

it is like vision for a CB. It needs to eventually get to 75 natural to work like you want it. Or you can be like me and have 61 carrying and 69 vision, and 75 speed/agi natural. Still figuring out what is going to happen there...but i still have not found the missing link to making a great elusive...good thing is that i have a pretty darn good receiving HB.

--Dan

Originally posted by r87
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=709282&pbp_id=1147222

i have like 0 carrying, fyi

But name is Taylor Swift, makes up for like 0 carrying

Carrying is the most important of the elusives hb's third most important attribute

Originally posted by Nuge20
Originally posted by r87

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=709282&pbp_id=1147222

i have like 0 carrying, fyi

But name is Taylor Swift, makes up for like 0 carrying

good point

X factor

Originally posted by Squab
True story, would you like proof?

Yes. I would love for you to prove your theory.

Please, do so.

Originally posted by Bukowski
Yes. I would love for you to prove your theory.

Please, do so.

I don't have a lot of time, but I'll try my best.
I'll start with some links:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=699242&pbp_id=495972
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=699242&pbp_id=495972
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=699242&pbp_id=496953
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=699242&pbp_id=497107
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=699242&pbp_id=498066
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=699242&pbp_id=499801

Now, looking at that HB, either returning kicks or running, Tashard Choice, what would you guess his speed,agility,quick cut is?
Maybe 80/60/3?
Perhaps 90/70/0?

Well he's my back, I would know.
Speed: 96
Agility: 80
Quick Cut: 10

Looking at these plays I was a little peeved at the fact that he wasn't running well, or at all really. So I started to do some research. Now, in the interest of full disclosure, I'll admit that my HBs Vision is at 31. So that's not great, but I think everyone can agree, or at least acknowledge that they've seen that Elusive HBs don't need too much vision. On those runs, his running style was set at 50(Elusive) as he has been all preseason, because that's what he was set on the last two seasons, when he got MVP, both times. I'm just trying to make this fair so don't flame me for bragging please, because I'm not.
Anyway, I found a few things.

Originally posted by Nuge20
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~THE ATTRIBUTES~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
3) Carrying - Helps with jukes and moves in general, also prevents fumbles. Most underrated attribute for elusive backs despite proof that it helps immensely (fwiw Tea Baggins is known to have high carrying)

-From Nuge, he's a pretty good HB builder.
Tea Baggins is an interesting build, http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=69633, now I can't say for sure anything about it, but from what I've learned about the rushing bar, 66 doesn't just come from Speed and Agility, he's obviously got some vision, probably 60 or so, but knowing he has high carrying makes a lot more sense, as that factors in not a lot, but a bit. I also know he took advantage of the overpowered Head Fake a few seasons ago, so he's obviously got high head fake, and to have high head fake before aeq, he would have to have at least 5 or so quick cut, he's obviously got Juke and Spin now, but I'm guessing his QC is at least 8.
My point from this being, high carrying obviously promises results.

Back to my player.
With 96 Speed, 80 Agility, and 10 in Quick Cut, how could he possibly be doing this crap:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=699242&pbp_id=498066

Then I realized, carrying, currently, his carrying is at 32. Now I'm not saying it's the only thing that's wrong with him, but it's a big factor. I can't find the exact quote but cptafw163 is right:
Originally posted by cptafw163
bort did say that it was the single most important attribute for a HB.

I mean think about it, Carrying, we're talking about HBs, who carry the ball for god sakes.

Now I could be totally wrong here, but from personal experience, against good teams, my back has played 4 this preseason, you can't run well without good carrying.
Let me reiterate, I don't think this shows against crappy teams, but when the team is better than yours, or evenly matched, I don't believe you can be effective as an elusive HB without good carrying.
It's true what some people say about the minor leagues,
Originally posted by Octowned
Oh, in lower leagues it doesn't really matter what you do in general lol
But my theory is that when the current great Elusive backs that have ignored carrying make it to the higher, more competitive leagues with low carrying, they won't be effective.
My HB was great the last two seasons, even against good teams usually, he won Two MVPs. Now, he's struggling, and the only thing I can point to is carrying.

So that's my theory.
I'd love to hear some feedback