Warrior General Games

I have a Lv. 25 elusive back with 72 agility. What do you think would be more effective? I am working towards a 100 speed/ 80 agility back.

either is good, i would go with spin since it's further down the SA tree....but you need more str/carry to pull off spin

Originally posted by whatje
either is good, i would go with spin since it's further down the SA tree....but you need more str/carry to pull off spin

woah..since when did people realize how spin works?

Originally posted by Darren McFadden
woah..since when did people realize how spin works?

Lol that's what i was figuring, although i agree with the thoughts on carrying. not so sure with strength purely because wouldnt spin be more associated with elusive RBs obviously... who tend to be weaker.. so why make the final SA in elusive tree tied in significantly with strength

Originally posted by Darren McFadden
woah..since when did people realize how spin works?

omgwuthaodiddishappunz?

Originally posted by Steeler2206
Lol that's what i was figuring, although i agree with the thoughts on carrying. not so sure with strength purely because wouldnt spin be more associated with elusive RBs obviously... who tend to be weaker.. so why make the final SA in elusive tree tied in significantly with strength

It is a broken tackle, plain and simple. All broken tackles are related to some degree to strength, whether spin is involved or not. A successful spin in all likelihood is a simple bonus to the break tackle roll, albeit a very large bonus.

Originally posted by Darren McFadden
It is a broken tackle, plain and simple. All broken tackles are related to some degree to strength, whether spin is involved or not. A successful spin in all likelihood is a simple bonus to the break tackle roll, albeit a very large bonus.

Interesting.... But... I don't understand the point of spin then... because like i say- the FINAL SA for an ELUSIVE back... the quicker but WEAKER guy... is an SA based on... strength... just doesnt seem smart to me [although upon reading your post i completely understand that strength will play a role here]

simply let go of the preconceived notion about SA trees that you have and it ceases to be a problem Spin is not BASED on strength. SAs are NOT based on attributes. SAs work only based on the amount of points you have in said SAs. They provide % bonuses to situational rolls or % boosts to attributes in some few cases. While it's reasonable to believe that a "successful" firing of the spin ability would lead to 100% chance of a broken tackle, that just doesn't seem to be the case, based on all the evidence and complaints. You don't need to be a power back or have power back strength to spin out of tackles. You need to have the ability to break tackles at all, before it seems to be effective.

Here is something that may be relevant:

My Wife put 2 sets of 5% break tackle chance AEQ on her WR for a total of 38% break tackle, then reset to 15 slippery.

She had 3 broken tackles in 2 catches in the first preseason game....A SPIN WAS DONE WITH EACH CATCH. She only has 4 spin and 36 strength for a WR. (return woman for the team)


% break tackle chance increases the likeliehood of a spin....since the SPIN is the only way an elusive carrier breaks a tackle.

--Dan
P.S. Her agility is only 75, carrying is 61

that's actually interesting, but i think its widely considered that WR spin/juke/headfake functions differently than HBs. I'm not sure if I believe it entirely, but that's the belief

Originally posted by whatje
that's actually interesting, but i think its widely considered that WR spin/juke/headfake functions differently than HBs. I'm not sure if I believe it entirely, but that's the belief
Wait what?
With AEQ it seems impossible that they work differently. Its just different situations, a CB trying to tackle a WR right after a catch vs a LB head-on with a HB.

Originally posted by cptafw163

% break tackle chance increases the likeliehood of a spin....since the SPIN is the only way an elusive carrier breaks a tackle.

True this, i have seen Slippery increase the Spin rate.
This leads me to believe the attempt to Spin works often but it doesnt always break the tackle. A +% break tackle will increase that rate. As will basic Str, Agi and Car to some degree.

I'm not saying its not the same skill, but wr's tend to fire sa's waaaay differently than hb's. There's different opinions as to why, but situation is definitely not the only thing.

I have actually heard that from many people

Originally posted by whatje
I'm not saying its not the same skill, but wr's tend to fire sa's waaaay differently than hb's. There's different opinions as to why, but situation is definitely not the only thing.

less carrying?