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AlexFleischut
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I know that the DT position isn't a pretty stat position but I think he could be doing better than this. I am trying to take advantage of his speed/agility with the Shed Blocks and Heavyweight. He is currently training vision/confidence. Any help or advice would be great. Thanks! http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=1229006 I would just open his build but I have a big game today so after today's game I will open it up.

Beastly Dude (Lv. 27 DT)
Ht/Wt: 6'6", 328lbs

Attributes
Physical Attributes
Strength: 81.39 (68 natural)
Speed: 60.9
Agility: 61.39
Jumping: 10
Stamina: 31.9
Vision: 34.9
Confidence: 27.9

Football Skills

Blocking: 14.9
Catching: 10
Tackling: 42.39
Throwing: 9
Carrying: 8
Kicking: 9
Punting: 10

Special Abilities
Pass Rusher Abilities
The Glare: 0
Shed Blocks: 3
Swat Ball: 0
Strong Base: 0
Big Sack: 0

Run Stuffer Abilities
Wall: 0
Break Through: 0
Snarl: 0
Big Hit: 0
D-Line General: 0

Veteran Abilities
Heavyweight: 5
Edited by AlexFleischut on Jul 18, 2009 13:56:36
Edited by AlexFleischut on Jul 18, 2009 12:07:29
 
Homage
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you need higher agility. So 3 cap agility next and you should see some improvements.
 
AlexFleischut
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Thanks misled. That's what I was planning to do. I just recently 3 cap strength so agility should be next.
 
eholling
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Yeah, 3 cap agility, softcap tackling, softcap vision, and find another piece of superior equipment with shed blocks that you can start upgrading.

 
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Originally posted by eholling
Yeah, 3 cap agility, softcap tackling, softcap vision, and find another piece of superior equipment with shed blocks that you can start upgrading.



I would then 3 cap speed before moving onto vision etc.
 
Kayoh
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To directly answer the question in topic title, he's too balanced.
 
eholling
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Originally posted by misled
Originally posted by eholling

Yeah, 3 cap agility, softcap tackling, softcap vision, and find another piece of superior equipment with shed blocks that you can start upgrading.



I would then 3 cap speed before moving onto vision etc.


Not sure about that. Vision is key to getting off the line. If you had JTS, it wouldn't be as much of a deal but I think getting vision to 48 would have more of an impact than getting speed to 68. No way to be sure though.
 
AlexFleischut
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Because I am training vision/confidence until I get agility to 68, I will put points into speed. It will cost me 3 SP so I will go two into speed, one into vision. Once vision is 2nd capped, I will soft cap vision if its not there already (it should be though). Should I continue putting VA points into Heavyweight or because I have to wait until level 30 to put more than 5 in, should I move to Jump the Snap? Also with my DT's build, when might be a good time to start putting points in SA? Thanks for all the advice!
 
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Originally posted by AlexFleischut

Agility: 61.39

Shed Blocks: 3


In a nutshell
Edited by UnderDogs on Jul 19, 2009 03:22:42
 
Underdawg08
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Originally posted by eholling
Originally posted by misled

Originally posted by eholling


Yeah, 3 cap agility, softcap tackling, softcap vision, and find another piece of superior equipment with shed blocks that you can start upgrading.



I would then 3 cap speed before moving onto vision etc.


Not sure about that. Vision is key to getting off the line. If you had JTS, it wouldn't be as much of a deal but I think getting vision to 48 would have more of an impact than getting speed to 68. No way to be sure though.


Vision isn't that key to getting off the line. Speed definitely helps more than vision.

A lot of things D.E.s get anyway help them get off the line. First step comes to mind, among other things. Vision just isn't a necessity until you are finished with STR SPEED and agility, at the very least.
 
AlexFleischut
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So is my plan good with what everyone said? Thanks for all the input guys.
 
bigg987
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well underdogs, i think either has you on block post, or cant see that you offer good advice here.

Alex, your problem is as underdogs has suggested. bring agility to 68 and then speed to 68. when those are done vision. i would also suggest tackling before vision....
 
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4 cap agility and 4 cap speed. train vision, then cap it.
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by eholling

Originally posted by misled


Originally posted by eholling



Yeah, 3 cap agility, softcap tackling, softcap vision, and find another piece of superior equipment with shed blocks that you can start upgrading.



I would then 3 cap speed before moving onto vision etc.


Not sure about that. Vision is key to getting off the line. If you had JTS, it wouldn't be as much of a deal but I think getting vision to 48 would have more of an impact than getting speed to 68. No way to be sure though.


Vision isn't that key to getting off the line. Speed definitely helps more than vision.

A lot of things D.E.s get anyway help them get off the line. First step comes to mind, among other things. Vision just isn't a necessity until you are finished with STR SPEED and agility, at the very least.


I won't directly contradict you however, I did notice a significant difference with the initial quickness of my DT when I capped and then 2 capped vision. I also noticed a difference when I removed JTS at the start of the season and then used the partial reset to get it back. Less speed means you won't get as many sacks in blow outs when it's a sprint to the QB. Less vision means you potentially won't get as much pressure on the QB in closer games, when it matters more. That's my experience anyway.

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I should also note that I did see more sacks when I 3 capped speed as well and it's something that shouldn't be ignored. But vision is more important than you might think.
Edited by eholling on Jul 20, 2009 10:47:46
Edited by eholling on Jul 20, 2009 10:46:52
Edited by eholling on Jul 20, 2009 10:29:13
 
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Originally posted by eholling

I won't directly contradict you however, I did notice a significant difference with the initial quickness of my DT when I capped and then 2 capped vision. I also noticed a difference when I removed JTS at the start of the season and then used the partial reset to get it back. Less speed means you won't get as many sacks in blow outs when it's a sprint to the QB. Less vision means you potentially won't get as much pressure on the QB in closer games, when it matters more. That's my experience anyway.

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I should also note that I did see more sacks when I 3 capped speed as well and it's something that shouldn't be ignored. But vision is more important than you might think.


No one is saying vision isn't going to help. the point with vision is to wait on it till later. (higher leagues when you need it more)

You want to work your main attributes up before working on a minor.

My d.t's vision was capped last season. he got 17 sacks. This season I double capped stamina instead of vision. So with 37 sacks this season should I say stamina is very important? No it's still a minor.
My level 39 D.E. still has sub 40 vision. he is doing fine.

The point I am trying to make is vision isn't that important at the lower levels. You work on your 4 main attributes before you waste time on the minors ,that bring close to negligible impact on your players performance.

Vision definitely helps. It's not worth it before level 40ish though. You have to sacrifice speed agility and str to up vision early, Which in time you will realize is a mistake if you ever make it to the higher leagues.
Edited by UnderDogs on Jul 20, 2009 19:20:16
 
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