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MadCow420
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Originally posted by NiborRis
Originally posted by Iceman16

Best league = best combination of top teams and of depth. USAPL, CPL, SLAP, APL by default.


Define "depth" - I'm really not trying to be a nit, but everyone talks "depth" and then turns out they really mean "as deep as you need to get for my conference to look good. It's why I tend to like the "made/missed playoffs" line, it's not subjective and it's a goal that any competitive team should be trying to make anyways.

Just looking at the Matrix rankings (because honestly no one ranks the top 16 teams of each league by hand), the current ratings for the 17th place in league for CPL, APL, and surprisingly WEPL are all very close:
APL: 124
CPL: 125
WEPL: 126
SEAPL: 127

SAPL: 152
EEPL: 144
OPL: 169

and for completeness, USAPL: 77

Then looking at the top, CPL clearly comes out ahead with Drygerian/Drinkin/Marblehead, vs APL's WWR/LOL/DD/SLS/SISW/Nairobi - significant advantage CPL
WEPL has Bonn and maybe you want to include West Wales/Edinburgh? CPL wins that matchup; I might suggest that APL has a better set of top teams than WEPL (although Bonn is better than all of them)
SEAPL doesn't have anyone at the top of the game right now. Manila Warlords and East St Louis are probably the clear top teams, but they're nowhere near any of the other tops (better than OPL, though)
SAPL has Krazy/Santiago/Manus, which is a step behind CPL but perhaps not TERRIBLY far back - the closest of any of the non-USA leagues anyways. But SAPL clearly loses in the "depth" factor imo.

So, by that criteria, I'd say the leagues go USA>CPL>APL and then you have to decide if WEPL's depth is an overriding factor over SAPL's top of league. I'd personally say APL's close enough at the top with their volume that the depth wins out over SAPL, but the WEPL's top is Bonn by itself for the most part. I suppose you could argue that SAPL's top outweighs APL's depth if you wanted, though. Then at the end you have SEAPL / EEPL (again depth vs top) and OPL at the bottom.



I was kinda surprised to see this


also didnt our best, just beat EE Pros best....
Edited by Mad Cow on Jul 15, 2009 17:39:02
 
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Notice how EEPL isn't on that list when he talks about top teams. I think he is comparing our top teams to leagues such as WEPL, APL, SAPL, and CPL which we don't match up as well
 
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yeah, and our second best their second, and our third best their third. It was just Singapore who lost in terms of top teams.
 
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Originally posted by creeker22
Notice how EEPL isn't on that list when he talks about top teams. I think he is comparing our top teams to leagues such as WEPL, APL, SAPL, and CPL which we don't match up as well


Well our top teams are usually ALWAY better than WEPL. It's just that Bonn is crazy right now. But APL's best don't even COMPARE to CPL's best, Marblehead and Drygerian. ESL might not be on the same tier as Santiago, Krazy, Hobo, and Bonn, but I think they're on the same level as LOL, WWR, and SLS.
 
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Originally posted by tycoon34
Originally posted by creeker22

Notice how EEPL isn't on that list when he talks about top teams. I think he is comparing our top teams to leagues such as WEPL, APL, SAPL, and CPL which we don't match up as well


Well our top teams are usually ALWAY better than WEPL. It's just that Bonn is crazy right now.


My WR is on West Wales, and we've got a damn good team. Our only loss so far this season was to Bonn, and we got just as far in the Hazy tourny as LSP... starting as an 18th seed. We beat some good teams in there.
 
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yeah I forgot about WWW. They are a very legit team.
 
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I predict predict someone will derails the Bonn express in the WEPL playoffs somewhere, gonna take a bit of luck. WWW would be a decent bet. I wouldn't go as far as to say our Top has ALWAYS been better than WEPL tho, they pimp slapped us hard when SEAPL and WEPL went head to head.
 
MadCow420
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Bonn= West Scranton

just a fad
 
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Originally posted by Mad Cow
Bonn= West Scranton

just a fad


Except Bonn beat Santiago and took the traveling trophy from us.
 
MadCow420
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Yea but west scranton was good for a bit too
 
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Yea but west scranton was good for a bit too


True.
 
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lol speaking of west scranton, Winona is ranked ahead of them.... awesome
 


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