I'd like to have a conversation with you 
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Just my 2 cents, I'd vote for Octowned.
It is hard to say who the "foremost expert on linemen" is, but you'd be hard-pressed to find someone that puts up more useful information on them in here than he does.
It is hard to say who the "foremost expert on linemen" is, but you'd be hard-pressed to find someone that puts up more useful information on them in here than he does.
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Octowned shares the most which is probably the best person to talk to but he rarely answers PMs if I recall correct. You have the best luck just asking a question in this forum.
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If you want my opinion you're better off asking a question here, yes, so I can find it on my own time. I forget about PMs, I get a lot of random OC / coaching requests
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Originally posted by rsb014
Just my 2 cents, I'd vote for Octowned.
It is hard to say who the "foremost expert on linemen" is, but you'd be hard-pressed to find someone that puts up more useful information on them in here than he does.
Just my 2 cents, I'd vote for Octowned.
It is hard to say who the "foremost expert on linemen" is, but you'd be hard-pressed to find someone that puts up more useful information on them in here than he does.
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Octowned knows his stuff, but keep in mind there are plenty of ways to build OL....Octowned's path is not the only one.
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Originally posted by PackMan97
Octowned knows his stuff, but keep in mind there are plenty of ways to build OL....Octowned's path is not the only one.
Packman has great build plans that are less public. His builds are geared toward high level success, whereas my builds are geared toward career success on a team working from nothing to AAA. But he's already got his guys there for many seasons and in pro, etc., where I don't have as much experience at such a high level.
Though now I am o-line coach for West Scranton Invaders, not much I'm getting out of our shitty season with the owner AWOL
Octowned knows his stuff, but keep in mind there are plenty of ways to build OL....Octowned's path is not the only one.
Packman has great build plans that are less public. His builds are geared toward high level success, whereas my builds are geared toward career success on a team working from nothing to AAA. But he's already got his guys there for many seasons and in pro, etc., where I don't have as much experience at such a high level.
Though now I am o-line coach for West Scranton Invaders, not much I'm getting out of our shitty season with the owner AWOL
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Originally posted by Octowned
Originally posted by PackMan97
Octowned knows his stuff, but keep in mind there are plenty of ways to build OL....Octowned's path is not the only one.
Packman has great build plans that are less public. His builds are geared toward high level success, whereas my builds are geared toward career success on a team working from nothing to AAA. But he's already got his guys there for many seasons and in pro, etc., where I don't have as much experience at such a high level.
Though now I am o-line coach for West Scranton Invaders, not much I'm getting out of our shitty season with the owner AWOL
Well then, A question for Mr. Packman. So many solid teams in AAA and around that have a solid, very good ground game, But it just all together dissapears in pro's as they can barely gain 2 yards a carry. What would you say the most likely cause of this is?
Blocking, vision or something else
Originally posted by PackMan97
Octowned knows his stuff, but keep in mind there are plenty of ways to build OL....Octowned's path is not the only one.
Packman has great build plans that are less public. His builds are geared toward high level success, whereas my builds are geared toward career success on a team working from nothing to AAA. But he's already got his guys there for many seasons and in pro, etc., where I don't have as much experience at such a high level.
Though now I am o-line coach for West Scranton Invaders, not much I'm getting out of our shitty season with the owner AWOL
Well then, A question for Mr. Packman. So many solid teams in AAA and around that have a solid, very good ground game, But it just all together dissapears in pro's as they can barely gain 2 yards a carry. What would you say the most likely cause of this is?
Blocking, vision or something else
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The talent level is usually so close in the pros, the game-planning has a much bigger impact.
Besides, I wouldn't say that the ground game disappears at the pro level... my FB is averaging over 7 YPC in SAPL this season, with some 10+ YPC showings against competitive teams... good builds are good builds, but good builds need a good game-plan to really shine.
Besides, I wouldn't say that the ground game disappears at the pro level... my FB is averaging over 7 YPC in SAPL this season, with some 10+ YPC showings against competitive teams... good builds are good builds, but good builds need a good game-plan to really shine.
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Game planning is really huge...but I'd also say at the Pro level it's a lot of Vision and Confidence as well. Even getting off the line a tick sooner, or picking up a blitzer earlier makes a huge difference. Ditto for confidence as your guy WILL get beat, and confidence is a great way to get more out of your guys.
Low Confidence = Inconsistent play and morale spirals.
As warlock said, tactics are HUGE. You simply have to change up your game plan ever time you step onto the field, you have to call the most efficient plays.
As for secrecy, I've had one of my C's build open for quite some time. He's actually a fairly typical C from Octowne'ds "Run Supporting C" guide.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=659435
I don't know that Octowned or I really disagree on anything fundamental, I think he's been behind the speed/agility curve a bit...but I think he's come around on those. I remember the epic, an OT will never need more than 60 spd/agi discussions
Where all my OL now sport ~80 agility, my OT 70+ speed and I'm taking my C's up to 60 now.
Low Confidence = Inconsistent play and morale spirals.
As warlock said, tactics are HUGE. You simply have to change up your game plan ever time you step onto the field, you have to call the most efficient plays.
As for secrecy, I've had one of my C's build open for quite some time. He's actually a fairly typical C from Octowne'ds "Run Supporting C" guide.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=659435
I don't know that Octowned or I really disagree on anything fundamental, I think he's been behind the speed/agility curve a bit...but I think he's come around on those. I remember the epic, an OT will never need more than 60 spd/agi discussions
Where all my OL now sport ~80 agility, my OT 70+ speed and I'm taking my C's up to 60 now.
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I'm at 68 agi for all positions, 73 for the tackles, and maybe even LG. I just won't be putting a piece of equip there to get it to 80 like you do
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Originally posted by PackMan97
Game planning is really huge...but I'd also say at the Pro level it's a lot of Vision and Confidence as well. Even getting off the line a tick sooner, or picking up a blitzer earlier makes a huge difference. Ditto for confidence as your guy WILL get beat, and confidence is a great way to get more out of your guys.
Low Confidence = Inconsistent play and morale spirals.
As warlock said, tactics are HUGE. You simply have to change up your game plan ever time you step onto the field, you have to call the most efficient plays.
As for secrecy, I've had one of my C's build open for quite some time. He's actually a fairly typical C from Octowne'ds "Run Supporting C" guide.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=659435
I don't know that Octowned or I really disagree on anything fundamental, I think he's been behind the speed/agility curve a bit...but I think he's come around on those. I remember the epic, an OT will never need more than 60 spd/agi discussions
Where all my OL now sport ~80 agility, my OT 70+ speed and I'm taking my C's up to 60 now.
best build ive ever seen, truly
Game planning is really huge...but I'd also say at the Pro level it's a lot of Vision and Confidence as well. Even getting off the line a tick sooner, or picking up a blitzer earlier makes a huge difference. Ditto for confidence as your guy WILL get beat, and confidence is a great way to get more out of your guys.
Low Confidence = Inconsistent play and morale spirals.
As warlock said, tactics are HUGE. You simply have to change up your game plan ever time you step onto the field, you have to call the most efficient plays.
As for secrecy, I've had one of my C's build open for quite some time. He's actually a fairly typical C from Octowne'ds "Run Supporting C" guide.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=659435
I don't know that Octowned or I really disagree on anything fundamental, I think he's been behind the speed/agility curve a bit...but I think he's come around on those. I remember the epic, an OT will never need more than 60 spd/agi discussions
Where all my OL now sport ~80 agility, my OT 70+ speed and I'm taking my C's up to 60 now.
best build ive ever seen, truly
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Originally posted by IIAMLEGEND
best build ive ever seen, truly
Needs more line general, imo.
best build ive ever seen, truly
Needs more line general, imo.
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Originally posted by PackMan97
Originally posted by IIAMLEGEND
best build ive ever seen, truly
Needs more line general, imo.
have you guys looked into how much a difference going over 100 makes for an attribute. I had heard people saying over 112 really does not help that much. I am definitely not bashing your builds or anything just wanted to know your thoughts.
Originally posted by IIAMLEGEND
best build ive ever seen, truly
Needs more line general, imo.
have you guys looked into how much a difference going over 100 makes for an attribute. I had heard people saying over 112 really does not help that much. I am definitely not bashing your builds or anything just wanted to know your thoughts.
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Now that, is a complicated question.
For the OL your direct competition is the guy you are lined up against. For OT's that is typically DEs, for a OG it could be a NT,DT or even a DE. For C's its a DT/NT or in some cases no one
There are only a few things that happen during a block
Run Block:
- Pancake the D
- Get your block broken
- Hold block
Pass Block:
- Shock Block
- Get Stunned
- Make Block
In most of these, the more strength you have the quicker you can pancake or shock block the D quicker than they can break your block or stun you. That's my feeling on it. You need to put them down before they put you down. You can try to out agility them, but for everyone save the OGs, DE and DTs all receive better level bonuses for AGI.
So, my feelings are bring the strength and work that way. Not saying it's the only way that works. I have not found that there exists "too much str", only not enough "supporting attributes". You have to decide how your dot plays best.
For the OL your direct competition is the guy you are lined up against. For OT's that is typically DEs, for a OG it could be a NT,DT or even a DE. For C's its a DT/NT or in some cases no one
There are only a few things that happen during a block
Run Block:
- Pancake the D
- Get your block broken
- Hold block
Pass Block:
- Shock Block
- Get Stunned
- Make Block
In most of these, the more strength you have the quicker you can pancake or shock block the D quicker than they can break your block or stun you. That's my feeling on it. You need to put them down before they put you down. You can try to out agility them, but for everyone save the OGs, DE and DTs all receive better level bonuses for AGI.
So, my feelings are bring the strength and work that way. Not saying it's the only way that works. I have not found that there exists "too much str", only not enough "supporting attributes". You have to decide how your dot plays best.
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