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If you're fast enough and agile enough to drape your man, wouldn't it stand that perhaps raising other important attributes could prove more valuable than 3 capped vision? I'm not saying it's completely unnecessary, but could it be excessive? I don't want to make myself sound any dumber than I probably just did, so I'll stop there.

I guess this would be concerning shutdown CBs specifically..

Actually I'll go the whole 9 yards. Might as well. My low leveled CB had given up just 98 yards on the season until his last game where he got torched (99 yard TD pass, but I don't think it was vision related.. maybe agility), but he has just 27 vision and has always seemed to make the right reads on both pass and run plays. It's not like WRs have 3 capped vision. Is it to prevent jukes/pump fakes or is it related to shutdown performance?

vision is great, but it's overrated. I own 2 CB's, both of which are within their level range and leading the league in INT's and have been for near their whole career.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=985422 - currently conf. all CB rank #1. Leads league in INT's
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=764185 - last year won D MVP for his league, also is currently #1 in PD's and in INT's in his league.

Both were made different seasons and have had different careers with the same build and same results. Neither have as much vision as you'd think.

1. WR's know where they're going. They don't need quite as much vision. CB's have to react to what the CB does on the field, and not vice versa.

2. Yes, it's to prevent jukes/pump fakes. When you're at the high levels and regularly facing WRs with 11+ in head fake/juke and QB's with pump fake, 48 vision is going to kill you.

Yeah, at the low levels CBs can work on 68-capping speed and agility, and they can avoid being burnt for a while. But keeping vision too low for too long will kill a CB's career in the long run, imo.



Subquestion: You say that the reason for asking is that "perhaps raising other important attributes could prove more valuable than 3 capped vision." Out of curiosity, what would you consider doing instead of 3-capping vision?

Originally posted by JD Cuda
Subquestion: You say that the reason for asking is that "perhaps raising other important attributes could prove more valuable than 3 capped vision." Out of curiosity, what would you consider doing instead of 3-capping vision?

Ah, not sure. Maybe jumping primarily? Or SAs? I'm not saying people are wrong in what they're doing, I'm just citing it as a possibility. It's my thinking that agility would have more to do with reaction than vision. It's my thinking that speed and agility would factor more into covering your man than vision, so even higher speed and agility to sacrifice vision would make sense imo. I don't know what exactly vision does in dotball.

speed and agility are there to keep up with your man. vision will help you see where he is going and to avoid fakes. if you continually get faked, all the speed and agility in the world wont be able to help you. you need all of the above to cover your man successfully. but taking jumping up before vision wouldn't be a terrible thing. i think vision should be taken to 68, and you should have 10 SV... but you also really need jumping. i dont think jumping needs to be taken as high as vision (60 should be more than enough), but i for sure do not underestimate jumping.

Originally posted by dycedarg
speed and agility are there to keep up with your man. vision will help you see where he is going and to avoid fakes. if you continually get faked, all the speed and agility in the world wont be able to help you. you need all of the above to cover your man successfully. but taking jumping up before vision wouldn't be a terrible thing. i think vision should be taken to 68, and you should have 10 SV... but you also really need jumping. i dont think jumping needs to be taken as high as vision (60 should be more than enough), but i for sure do not underestimate jumping.

you also need catching, but yeah. vision is for sure not over rated. i have 86 career interceptions (2nd place in all GLB as far as i know. http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=365592 ) and have 70 vision and 10 SV. You need vision in order to, as dyce said, avoid fakes, and to help you get in position for the PD/INT. having tons of speed and agility is nice, but if you never see the ball coming, high spd and agl isnt going to help you.

Originally posted by Vallic
vision is great, but it's overrated. I own 2 CB's, both of which are within their level range and leading the league in INT's and have been for near their whole career.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=985422 - currently conf. all CB rank #1. Leads league in INT's
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=764185 - last year won D MVP for his league, also is currently #1 in PD's and in INT's in his league.

Both were made different seasons and have had different careers with the same build and same results. Neither have as much vision as you'd think.

Well I would like to see how you do in the higher leagues first, before we make any rash desicions about vision.

Originally posted by Vallic

vision is great, but it's overrated. I own 2 CB's, both of which are within their level range and leading the league in INT's and have been for near their whole career.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=985422 - currently conf. all CB rank #1. Leads league in INT's
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=764185 - last year won D MVP for his league, also is currently #1 in PD's and in INT's in his league.

Both were made different seasons and have had different careers with the same build and same results. Neither have as much vision as you'd think.

"If it ain't pro, it ain't real."

Originally posted by Iron Maiden
Originally posted by Vallic


vision is great, but it's overrated. I own 2 CB's, both of which are within their level range and leading the league in INT's and have been for near their whole career.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=985422 - currently conf. all CB rank #1. Leads league in INT's
http://goallineblitz.com/game/player_awards.pl?player_id=764185 - last year won D MVP for his league, also is currently #1 in PD's and in INT's in his league.

Both were made different seasons and have had different careers with the same build and same results. Neither have as much vision as you'd think.

"If it ain't pro, it ain't real."

To be fair, once you get to AAA and even maybe AA in some cases, you do see pro-caliber players and teams. But, I was too lazy to look at his links, so I don't know what level he was at, though I imagine it was Minors or BBB or something.

It's hard to tell when you're under level 40-45 because there are still people who haven't rounded out their builds and slowbuild teams, etc... Some teams/players will still have glaring holes because of slowbuilding so things are skewed until about AAA (AA in some regions i guess)

Originally posted by dycedarg
speed and agility are there to keep up with your man. vision will help you see where he is going and to avoid fakes. if you continually get faked, all the speed and agility in the world wont be able to help you. you need all of the above to cover your man successfully. but taking jumping up before vision wouldn't be a terrible thing. i think vision should be taken to 68, and you should have 10 SV... but you also really need jumping. i dont think jumping needs to be taken as high as vision (60 should be more than enough), but i for sure do not underestimate jumping.

I have 70 vision and 12 in SV on my CB and he has 0 interceptions. Has only allowed 9 receptions all season though. Hasnt given up a TD either. Maybe I just dont get thrown at that often. I think vision is overrated. I have a high vision safety who doesnt play any better than any other normal safety.

Originally posted by FIeury
Actually I'll go the whole 9 yards. Might as well. My low leveled CB had given up just 98 yards on the season until his last game where he got torched (99 yard TD pass, but I don't think it was vision related.. maybe agility), but he has just 27 vision and has always seemed to make the right reads on both pass and run plays. It's not like WRs have 3 capped vision. Is it to prevent jukes/pump fakes or is it related to shutdown performance?

Your level 17 CB is facing other similarly levelled WRs that don't have completed builds yet so your not facing that tough competition. Also, so far this season on pass plays your CB has made 20 tackles and only 4 real PDs (where the WR did not catch it after your PD), sorry but that's not really a shutdown performance.

Vision may be a bit overrated, but don't judge it this early in your CBs career.

Originally posted by Viscount
Originally posted by FIeury

Actually I'll go the whole 9 yards. Might as well. My low leveled CB had given up just 98 yards on the season until his last game where he got torched (99 yard TD pass, but I don't think it was vision related.. maybe agility), but he has just 27 vision and has always seemed to make the right reads on both pass and run plays. It's not like WRs have 3 capped vision. Is it to prevent jukes/pump fakes or is it related to shutdown performance?

Your level 17 CB is facing other similarly levelled WRs that don't have completed builds yet so your not facing that tough competition. Also, so far this season on pass plays your CB has made 20 tackles and only 4 real PDs (where the WR did not catch it after your PD), sorry but that's not really a shutdown performance.

Vision may be a bit overrated, but don't judge it this early in your CBs career.


I just don't see why it should be so useful if you're playing man to man. Apparently it is though, so I'm not really doubting that it is I guess. Maybe a little. It is an MMO after all. I also didn't mean to say that my CB was playing well at all, tbh. He's been brutal. 99 yard TD allowed to a guy with 61.94 speed and 50 agility somehow (mine is 83ish and 62ish).

Does anybody know how that happened btw? Coverage settings, vision, stamina (3 CB rotation), or agility? Or everything? http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=632056&pbp_id=9656484 - makes me cry.

Originally posted by FIeury


Does anybody know how that happened btw? Coverage settings, vision, stamina (3 CB rotation), or agility? Or everything? http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=632056&pbp_id=9656484 - makes me cry.

Stamina. 78 plays including STs had your base stats looking like dog crap. That means he was more agile and faster.


My opinion on vision is not overrated.

As for how it makes a difference. Vision allows you to see and react to a WR's cut. The game will check every 10th of a second to see if you pass the vision check that allows you to alter course and follow the WR. IF you miss the check for two ticks the WR could be 3+ yards away ( assuming you were directly behind him to start)

now that there is a script showing speed and accel we could probably do the math...assuming I'm right about the vision check.