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ok so hes at 98 with equipment. he has equipment upgrades evailable and i wanted to know if you guys thought it was important to have 100 or more speed. if not what should that equipment go to. this is not a rate my player thread it is what is more important really agility or vision.

I would actually put EQ in agility from now on, if not move some over. 95/85 would be very nice.

i think its a matter of what your SAs are. if you have high CD and FS, then i would say split it 50/50 in agility and vision, but if you only have a few points in the FS and CD, than i would say put all of it in agility. really, you want to ideally end up with agility being about 10 less than speed, so 85 would do fine. if you have 4 or so in QC and FS i can see you getting away with a bit less agility. but yeah, really kind of dependent on where your agility and SAs are right now.

I have guys that are at 110 + , they never get burned,ever, and perform very well we were #2 in our conference in pass defense and easily would of been #1 if not for one HB getting 150 yards on a LB mismatch in one game. I had the wrong LB in on the single back formation.

Originally posted by ibflounder
I have guys that are at 110 + , they never get burned,ever, and perform very well we were #2 in our conference in pass defense and easily would of been #1 if not for one HB getting 150 yards on a LB mismatch in one game. I had the wrong LB in on the single back formation.

don't worry about it, just let them keep thinking they are good with 90 speed.

Read this thread: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2655890

And this post:

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
I can't believe we are still debating this. Since everyone is pulling the "well you aren't in Pro" or "you don't have an elite cb" crap, I'll settle it.

Yes Man has played on one of the top teams in the history of GLB, Prague, and currently plays on one of the best teams, MEM, in the best league. I have seen the builds of most of the cbs on those two teams, and discuss cbs regularly with some of the top cb builders in the game. Those cbs are the ones covering the top wrs in the game including possibly the fastest wr, Colon Grifter.

That is my resume, here is what I have to say: one hundred speed is completely unnecessary. Most of the top cbs have speed/agility in the 95/85 to 90/90 range. The balance of speed to agility is necessary to take full advantage of your speed, and to keep up with a cutting wr. Getting speed to 100 is a waste of sps and forces you to sacrifice other more important areas. The people who argue that speed has to be at 100 or more don't understand that there is very much more to building a great cb than high speed. Speed is essentially the base that you start your build on, but once you get it to the proper level--68 base plus auto-level gains--other skills become more important. The top cbs aren't top because they have a lot more speed than other cbs, they are the top cbs because they have the other stuff at higher levels and in the proper proportion.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Read this thread: http://goallineblitz.com/game/forum_thread.pl?thread_id=2655890

And this post:

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024

I can't believe we are still debating this. Since everyone is pulling the "well you aren't in Pro" or "you don't have an elite cb" crap, I'll settle it.

Yes Man has played on one of the top teams in the history of GLB, Prague, and currently plays on one of the best teams, MEM, in the best league. I have seen the builds of most of the cbs on those two teams, and discuss cbs regularly with some of the top cb builders in the game. Those cbs are the ones covering the top wrs in the game including possibly the fastest wr, Colon Grifter.

That is my resume, here is what I have to say: one hundred speed is completely unnecessary. Most of the top cbs have speed/agility in the 95/85 to 90/90 range. The balance of speed to agility is necessary to take full advantage of your speed, and to keep up with a cutting wr. Getting speed to 100 is a waste of sps and forces you to sacrifice other more important areas. The people who argue that speed has to be at 100 or more don't understand that there is very much more to building a great cb than high speed. Speed is essentially the base that you start your build on, but once you get it to the proper level--68 base plus auto-level gains--other skills become more important. The top cbs aren't top because they have a lot more speed than other cbs, they are the top cbs because they have the other stuff at higher levels and in the proper proportion.



Actually there are about 100 different owners who say they have the best team in GLB history. Most of them have a solid case. prague is currently not one that is well known.

It's all about tooting you're own horn.

You have no evidence to back up your claims. No facts.
All you do is toot your own horn to back up your claims.

It's fine you have an opinion, but quit being such a jack off about it. For a long time now people have been saying you don't need speed to 100. Since season 2.You're not some pioneer. I have had a much higher level corner with 95/85 speed and agility. I retired him.

The level 34 corners I have now with 100 speed and 70 agility are much better and more fun to watch.

Opinions are opinions, but you can't completely discredit having high speed for a corner. It works. Just as a balance of speed/agility works in a different way.

Neither way is completely wrong, or completely right.

More speed is more fun and more dynamic.

Especially if you ever step outside you GLB cubicle and play things like cover 3 or 4. 100 speed is off the charts in cover 3.

In response to your first post:

Prague was a perennial top 25/top15 team when they were around. When Randy gutted the team, we where somewhere around top 5-7 in all time wins. You also forgot to mention that Yes Man plays on MEM, a perennial top 5 team. That portion of the above post was to refute any future claims that I don't know what I'm doing because "You don't play on a good team" or "You don't play in Pro," which were the most common come backs in that thread. I've played on some of the most successful teams and with some of the most successful players in the game since I started in season 1. I've seen and discussed builds and tactics with them, and know what works well. Those are my facts.

In response to your second post:

People haven't been saying you don't need 100 speed since season 2. The only way to get to 100 in speed in two seasons is to put your sps and EQ in nothing but speed. In season 1 speed killed, but no one was dumb enough to argue that all that was needed was speed. With the change to agility in season 2, people began to realize that it would take a much more prominent role, but no one said 100 speed isn't needed as we hadn't even made it there yet. I wasn't until a couple seasons later that the high speed/low agility vs. equal ratios arguments really started to get heated up.

As for your argument that 100 speed/70 agility is fine, it is if you are happy playing in lower leagues and not being considered an elite, Pro level cb. A lot of builds work well at lower levels and lower leagues because they aren't playing against top competition. When I come in here and give advice, it's with the assumption that the person requesting it wants to play at the top level of this game and be considered one of the top players at their position. To do that, 100/70 won't cut it. The elite cb builders of this game will tell you that. 100+/70 or less just doesn't take advantage of all that speed. A cb with 90 speed and agility can cover a wr with 115+ speed well because (1) that wr isn't taking full advantage of their speed, and (2) the cb has other skills that help him (primarily shutdown coverage).

And just to make you look dumb:

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by ibflounder



I have guys that are at 110 + , they never get burned,ever, and perform very well we were #2 in our conference in pass defense and easily would of been #1 if not for one HB getting 150 yards on a LB mismatch in one game. I had the wrong LB in on the single back formation.

don't worry about it, just let them keep thinking they are good with 90 speed.

Originally posted by UnderDogs

Opinions are opinions, but you can't completely discredit having high speed for a corner. It works. Just as a balance of speed/agility works in a different way.

Neither way is completely wrong, or completely right.



Nice job contradicting yourself.

My takes:

In general,
If a 90 SPD/ 80 AGL CB gets burned deep, even once, he gets flamed for lack of speed and is told to fix his build
If a 100 SPD/ 70 AGL CB gets burned deep, the sim is broken

Also, I think almost any halfway decent CB build will do very well against even competition when they are in the LVL30 to low 40's range.

you can get away with a bigger differential in speed and agility if you have high FS and QC, and from what i recall, UD is a big advocate of CD. But if you take away all SAs, the 95/85 or 90/80 is gonna do better than pretty much anything else, imo of course.

aight thanks for the input, looking like i might go away from speed on the next equipment upgrade then

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
In response to your first post:

Prague was a perennial top 25/top15 team when they were around.


I literally stopped reading there. "When" they were around. LOL this doesn't mean shit anymore. Everyone knows the earlier pro teams had an advantage based on the sheer volume of clueless players. This game has evolved since then. More and more players are building better. A pro team 5 season ago that was top notch would probably be an AA team now.

Also I don't feel like reading all that just to see you talking about how great you are and blah blah.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Longhornfan1024

In response to your first post:

Prague was a perennial top 25/top15 team when they were around.


I literally stopped reading there. "When" they were around. LOL this doesn't mean shit anymore. Everyone knows the earlier pro teams had an advantage based on the sheer volume of clueless players. This game has evolved since then. More and more players are building better. A pro team 5 season ago that was top notch would probably be an AA team now.

Also I don't feel like reading all that just to see you talking about how great you are and blah blah.

Ha. "When" they were around was one season ago. And all those "clueless" players are now on Pro teams across this game. You should keep reading my post, though. It gets better, and culminates with me making you look like an idiot. But you do that pretty well on your own.

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by Longhornfan1024


In response to your first post:

Prague was a perennial top 25/top15 team when they were around.


I literally stopped reading there. "When" they were around. LOL this doesn't mean shit anymore. Everyone knows the earlier pro teams had an advantage based on the sheer volume of clueless players. This game has evolved since then. More and more players are building better. A pro team 5 season ago that was top notch would probably be an AA team now.

Also I don't feel like reading all that just to see you talking about how great you are and blah blah.

Ha. "When" they were around was one season ago. And all those "clueless" players are now on Pro teams across this game. You should keep reading my post, though. It gets better, and culminates with me making you look like an idiot. But you do that pretty well on your own.

you would never make anyone look like an idiot. I still refuse to read all the dribble that comes out your mouth about how your the best corner in this game at level 44.