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Just a heads up to those that are or will play this team.
There's one way to fight this and thats for those of us or you that are going up against this team to get together via pm's and game plan. I for one will be willing to help send their team packing. We've done it before, calling a team out, we can do it again.

Just do it without the intoxication this time

Originally posted by Billsman
Just a heads up to those that are or will play this team.
There's one way to fight this and thats for those of us or you that are going up against this team to get together via pm's and game plan. I for one will be willing to help send their team packing. We've done it before, calling a team out, we can do it again.

i think you overestimate the power of the protest. if you recall i was one of the loudest of the mob and yet i have still come to this conclusion. it was known from the start that richmond was up to no good and yet here they sit championship bound. the admins were made aware, they responded, nothing has changed. cheattanooga got around the rules, the admins were made aware, a meaningless fine of fake money was levied, and nothing has changed. it is for exactly this reason that every time i venture into online gaming i invariably encounter some losers who follow bill clintons guide to life - take what you want morals be damned, when caught lie, and continue on with your actions regardless of what it does to anyone else. the imperfection of human kind invades even the most trivial of pursuits and so that is why myself and others will eventually quit this game i fear.

I am not sure what else can be done. What are you going to game plan. Everyone can write PMs, threaten to leave, etc. Which I believe has already been done. I play these guys as my last game of the season and it will likely affect my playoff standings. I can throw a fit, yell, scream, etc. The owner/players are not engaging us so peer pressure is not going to work. What is being done now is technically not against the rules.

I can quit, but that is just unpalatable to me. So I am going to scout and try and game plan the best game I can and try to beat them. You never know, I never thought I could beat Buffalo, but between the combination of a decent game plan and some luck we ecked out a win. Maybe lightning will strike twice.

eeked out

i would say ecked

Originally posted by General Terms

losers who follow george w bushs guide to life - take what you want morals be damned, when caught lie, and continue on with your actions regardless of what it does to anyone else.
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i have no problem with what richmond is doing, and you'd do the same if those players agreed to join you. heck some of you probably bid on those players!

Cheatanooga took 10+ players from a team that released them all at the same time, it was very shady, unrealistic, and unethical. We've been through that one and it was handled. This is very different. Unless there's something I'm missing all he's doing is signign players who are available on the FA wire through legitimate occurences.

There can be only one winner...stop the f'in whining!! This from your 0-14 competition.

Originally posted by Billsman
Just a heads up to those that are or will play this team.
There's one way to fight this and thats for those of us or you that are going up against this team to get together via pm's and game plan. I for one will be willing to help send their team packing. We've done it before, calling a team out, we can do it again.

So, you're going to collude to defeat a team playing within the rules? Maybe it is you who should be banned?

Oh, and I see nothing wrong with trading banned players. It's the same as dealing CPU players, or players who are inactive. It is even less underhanded than dealing inactive players who only pop in very rarely. I know people deal players who were inactive for a long time, get active for a day so the inactive label isn't visible and then trade them, only for them to go inactive again for a long period of time!!!

The 'banned' players are actually better than CPU players, because up until the pt they were 'banned' they more than likely placed skill pts appropriately. Nothing wrong with a team who wants to deal with these players knowing they are banned because they are an improvement, and shame on those who deal for them and did not know. They get what they deserve.

Originally posted by shacky21
Oh, and I see nothing wrong with trading banned players. It's the same as dealing CPU players, or players who are inactive. It is even less underhanded than dealing inactive players who only pop in very rarely. I know people deal players who were inactive for a long time, get active for a day so the inactive label isn't visible and then trade them, only for them to go inactive again for a long period of time!!!

The 'banned' players are actually better than CPU players, because up until the pt they were 'banned' they more than likely placed skill pts appropriately. Nothing wrong with a team who wants to deal with these players knowing they are banned because they are an improvement, and shame on those who deal for them and did not know. They get what they deserve.

well if that is the case i have a lot full of flood damaged cars that i would like to sell you w/o of course telling you their is anything wrong with the cars.

i guess my point is that a team of cheats never should have been allowed to reap the rewards of their dishonesty - ie that team should have been disbanded on 4/30 when they were caught. now, even though they cheated, they are still allowed to compete in the playoffs with non-cheaters and take away a playoff spot from non-cheaters as well.

I don't know the specifics of how they cheated, but the admins made a decision to keep the players on their team but banned their owners. Those involved with the cheating are not benefitting. Maybe the admins felt removing all the players would leave the team too unbalanced?

If those were CPU players he was trading, you wouldn't be complaining. However, whomever is trading for those players has to look to see if they are CPU or not, and when they do so, they should se 'banned'. The trader has no obligation to tell the tradee as 'it says so in the literature'. When I bought my first house, there was lead in the basement because the previous owner was a cop and used to fire weapons in a target range he had constructed. They did not have to tell me this because it was already in writing, it was up to me to read it and make a business decision, which I did, and is no different than this situation.

You mean to tell me you have never offered an 'inactive' player to a team without sending a PM stating that the player is inactive??? Same with a CPU player, never addded him into a transaction without PM'ing the other party and saying 'hey, i'm adding John Smith to the deal, mind you he is a CPU player'????

Im' sure you've added those players and did not notify the other party directly, and have had those offers come to you as well. The word 'banned' is easy to find, and buyer beware....again, how do you know those trading for the banned players did not 'know' they were banned.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. Here's some cheese.

Oh, and as for your car analogy, its a poor one. I the buyer has every right to do as much research on the car as I can, and it's always buyer beware when buying a used car. Carfax is usually helpful, and a thorough inspectino a must.

Originally posted by shacky21


You mean to tell me you have never offered an 'inactive' player to a team without sending a PM stating that the player is inactive??? Same with a CPU player, never addded him into a transaction without PM'ing the other party and saying 'hey, i'm adding John Smith to the deal, mind you he is a CPU player'????

Im' sure you've added those players and did not notify the other party directly, and have had those offers come to you as well. The word 'banned' is easy to find, and buyer beware....again, how do you know those trading for the banned players did not 'know' they were banned.



yes i am telling you i have never even attempted to trade an inactive player. just because there may not be a GLB rule against swindling doesn't make it right. there are unwritten rules about what is sportsmanlike and what isnt.

as far as your house analogy is concerned they did tell you in written form, the disclosure document, they did not wait for you to locate the lead on your own so this is a bad example. the example would have better fit the richmond speed situation if your realtor/previous owner had not told you a thing and let your kid to get lead poisoning.

your "its just business" attitude tells me you would have no qualms about intentionally ripping someone off and then saying "sorry man you should have ordered a carfax report." it is this kind of ethically bankrupt mentality that makes online gaming, hell even being a human being, taxing.

Originally posted by shacky21
Originally posted by Billsman

Just a heads up to those that are or will play this team.
There's one way to fight this and thats for those of us or you that are going up against this team to get together via pm's and game plan. I for one will be willing to help send their team packing. We've done it before, calling a team out, we can do it again.

So, you're going to collude to defeat a team playing within the rules? Maybe it is you who should be banned?

What I propose is cheating? No. If GLB allows trading of banned players thats fine, many think this is very wrong for the league though. Shouldn't a banned player be just that, banned? They should be wiped out from the game and the team held accountable and punished not rewarded.

Originally posted by Lef Grebo
I am not sure what else can be done. What are you going to game plan. Everyone can write PMs, threaten to leave, etc. Which I believe has already been done. I play these guys as my last game of the season and it will likely affect my playoff standings. I can throw a fit, yell, scream, etc. The owner/players are not engaging us so peer pressure is not going to work. What is being done now is technically not against the rules.

I can quit, but that is just unpalatable to me. So I am going to scout and try and game plan the best game I can and try to beat them. You never know, I never thought I could beat Buffalo, but between the combination of a decent game plan and some luck we ecked out a win. Maybe lightning will strike twice.

Good luck to you.

I believe this discussion can be put to rest until tonight. The Speed play the Mole Rats.

This will be a true test to see how much chemistry comes into play 15 vs. 89
(chemistry)

It will also be a good test to see whether the wits of 1 beat out the wits of 6 GM's
(gameplanning)


I have my fake money on the Mole rats winning by 2 1/2 since I believe the MoleRats have the Speed dominated in Gameplanning, and Chemistry