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My initial instinct says that mayyybe speed is... but probably not for agility/vision, since they both get crutch SAs so early in the tree... Same with tackling.

Has anybody gotten results from jacking speed up that high? What about 70ish vision and something like 15 in SV???

I think so, but then again, people think I'm crazy.

Originally posted by Asheme
I think so, but then again, people think I'm crazy.

this. and he is crazy o_O

if you put speed to 68 first in a slowbuild, it'll be about 75 through natural level ups by lvl 25. Or you could take speed and agility to 60 first and through natural level ups by like 30 they'll both be about 68 and 64 so you'll still save SPs

Well I believe that because a SS needs to have so many attributes at a decent level there really isnt anything worth pushing all the way to 74.

The Good safeties I see don't have very high tackling or vision. between 48-55 in both. Any more it's a waste.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
The Good safeties I see don't have very high tackling or vision. between 48-55 in both. Any more it's a waste.

I highly disagree

Originally posted by UnderDogs
The Good safeties I see don't have very high tackling or vision. between 48-55 in both. Any more it's a waste.

Maybe for a SS that's not playing on ST...but even then, most SS I've seen above lvl 45 have at least 60 vision.

Originally posted by Blamo
My initial instinct says that mayyybe speed is... but probably not for agility/vision, since they both get crutch SAs so early in the tree... Same with tackling.

Has anybody gotten results from jacking speed up that high? What about 70ish vision and something like 15 in SV???

I would highly advise not to get 15 in SV. Especially at your level.

You can still benefit from getting points into attributes. It should be your first priority to cap as many attributes as possible, as soon as possible.

By the way, did you score two SV AEs?

Originally posted by Gargus
Originally posted by Blamo

My initial instinct says that mayyybe speed is... but probably not for agility/vision, since they both get crutch SAs so early in the tree... Same with tackling.

Has anybody gotten results from jacking speed up that high? What about 70ish vision and something like 15 in SV???

I would highly advise not to get 15 in SV. Especially at your level.

You can still benefit from getting points into attributes. It should be your first priority to cap as many attributes as possible, as soon as possible.

By the way, did you score two SV AEs?

Well the 15 SV was hypothetical more than anything, I'm just curious to see if anybody's done it and if they've gotten any results.

And while I agree that there's still a lot of benefit into putting points into my attributes... I'd also say that by level 37 reaching caps is no longer essential, especially for a position like SS that doesn't get incredible level gains to begin with.

And I have one +3 Agility, SV AEQ but haven't found another. Change Direction, Super Vision, and Wrap-Up Tackle (saves a ton of SP from tackling imo) are my next targets, though.

Originally posted by TuNice
Originally posted by UnderDogs

The Good safeties I see don't have very high tackling or vision. between 48-55 in both. Any more it's a waste.

I highly disagree

You can disagree all you want. Doesn't change the fact it's true.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by TuNice

Originally posted by UnderDogs


The Good safeties I see don't have very high tackling or vision. between 48-55 in both. Any more it's a waste.

I highly disagree

You can disagree all you want. Doesn't change the fact it's true.

Actually, it isnt.

Originally posted by TuNice
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by TuNice


Originally posted by UnderDogs



The Good safeties I see don't have very high tackling or vision. between 48-55 in both. Any more it's a waste.

I highly disagree

You can disagree all you want. Doesn't change the fact it's true.

Actually, it isnt.

Touché.

Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by TuNice

Originally posted by UnderDogs


The Good safeties I see don't have very high tackling or vision. between 48-55 in both. Any more it's a waste.

I highly disagree

You can disagree all you want. Doesn't change the fact it's true.

In general, your opinions are pretty much wrong about everything.

Originally posted by divinevert
Originally posted by UnderDogs

Originally posted by TuNice


Originally posted by UnderDogs



The Good safeties I see don't have very high tackling or vision. between 48-55 in both. Any more it's a waste.

I highly disagree

You can disagree all you want. Doesn't change the fact it's true.

In general, your opinions are pretty much wrong about everything.

UnderDogs has developed a defense scheme with his "low vision" SS basically blitzing all the time. And he's right - if you play it this way, 55 vision should be enough.

Others are playing almost 100 % coverage. When doing so, higher vision will pay off.

Of course the blitzing guys get more stats when build properly (strength, agility) and are less likely to get faked by a fake-build on a pitch.