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More than any other position I look at, it seems like FS's suffer from some combination of the following symptoms:

- "Speed isn't important, it's okay that I'm level 29 and have only 56 speed"
- "I need to spread my equipment around so that I'm well balanced, the more blue the better"
- "I need to get my tackling to 50 before I reach level 20!"
- "Yo man, looking to start, send offers bro" with a link to a closed build on a level 26 that made 42 tackles and 1 PD last season.

Why? Is it really that hard?

The hardest part is not to build a CB.

Originally posted by RAPB
The hardest part is not to build a CB.

i would think it's exactly like building a CB... just a tad slower ... with a tad more vision... and more tackling....

Originally posted by Stone Mason
Originally posted by RAPB
The hardest part is not to build a CB.i would think it's exactly like building a CB... just a tad slower ... with a tad more vision... and more tackling....
A FS is not a CB. A FS should have much higher vision, a little lower speed and just as much agility as well as more tackling and strength. Of course, I am talking real football.

it's like a high vision/tackling CB

Because the way you need to build a FS on GLB is different from the way you would instinctively think of a FS in real life.

In GLB, the FS should be the fastest guy on the defense, while in real life CBs are the fastest. Basically, if you don't know what slowbuilding is, and you think "well I need to be able to tackle," your FS will most likely suck awfully.

Originally posted by SunshineMan89
In GLB, the FS should be the fastest guy on the defense, while in real life CBs are the fastest. Basically, if you don't know what slowbuilding is, and you think "well I need to be able to tackle," your FS will most likely suck awfully.
Not true. The GLB FS does not have to be the fastest guy on the field. As long as his vision and agility are proportional to speed, the FS can get into position to better help his team on any play. Tackling and strength are an added benefit as the FS is the last line of defense but as long as he can get into position to make the play, he will do it. Speed does not need to be all that high in order to be effective.

Originally posted by Challenge Everything
Originally posted by SunshineMan89

In GLB, the FS should be the fastest guy on the defense, while in real life CBs are the fastest. Basically, if you don't know what slowbuilding is, and you think "well I need to be able to tackle," your FS will most likely suck awfully.
Not true. The GLB FS does not have to be the fastest guy on the field. As long as his vision and agility are proportional to speed, the FS can get into position to better help his team on any play. Tackling and strength are an added benefit as the FS is the last line of defense but as long as he can get into position to make the play, he will do it. Speed does not need to be all that high in order to be effective.

Just out of curiousity, how fast do you consider "not all that high". I would advise to eventually 3rd cap speed, then let it sit.

Originally posted by cmart102
Originally posted by Challenge Everything

Originally posted by SunshineMan89


In GLB, the FS should be the fastest guy on the defense, while in real life CBs are the fastest. Basically, if you don't know what slowbuilding is, and you think "well I need to be able to tackle," your FS will most likely suck awfully.
Not true. The GLB FS does not have to be the fastest guy on the field. As long as his vision and agility are proportional to speed, the FS can get into position to better help his team on any play. Tackling and strength are an added benefit as the FS is the last line of defense but as long as he can get into position to make the play, he will do it. Speed does not need to be all that high in order to be effective.

Just out of curiousity, how fast do you consider "not all that high". I would advise to eventually 3rd cap speed, then let it sit.

Not all that high = 90-100 imo, so yeah 3rd cap+gear.

A GLB FS should look like a GLB CB, except slightly more balanced.

Originally posted by cmart102
Originally posted by Challenge Everything
Originally posted by SunshineMan89
In GLB, the FS should be the fastest guy on the defense, while in real life CBs are the fastest. Basically, if you don't know what slowbuilding is, and you think "well I need to be able to tackle," your FS will most likely suck awfully.Not true. The GLB FS does not have to be the fastest guy on the field. As long as his vision and agility are proportional to speed, the FS can get into position to better help his team on any play. Tackling and strength are an added benefit as the FS is the last line of defense but as long as he can get into position to make the play, he will do it. Speed does not need to be all that high in order to be effective. Just out of curiousity, how fast do you consider "not all that high". I would advise to eventually 3rd cap speed, then let it sit.
Samus was playing Canadian Pro last season with 85.xx speed and did just fine. I used my boosts this season all on speed and it is now 90.xx (68.xx raw) at level 54. I am currently missing a possible +6 in speed because my team is not giving the safety position any money for equipment as of yet. So, I could have 96.xx, but I do not.

My two newer safeties, I have a year of building experience so I built them different, but they currently have 66.9 speed (without equipment) and I am never planning on putting any skill points into speed again. No need if you ask me. I bumped it up to ~61 and have let the level bonus bump it up. Doing the same with vision and agility.

Level 32, my new FS will have ~95 speed with equipment. I think his level 40 equipment will be put into another attribute. My new SS will have at level 32 ~86 speed. I might do +3 more in speed at level 40 but that would be it.

If you can't hold onto the speedster WRs, you'd need to stay back in "regular" FS position. That kind of limits the use of your guy.

Some examples of what I'm talking about:

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477499&pbp_id=5092165
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477499&pbp_id=5085608 (good speed = good position)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477499&pbp_id=5089849 (good speed... at least you can catch up)
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=477499&pbp_id=5090897 (bit more tired = less speed...)

Last play was pretty slow due to beeing somewhat tired - that probably equals speed in the lower 90s.

I started off having no clue, and people telling me what to increase and that put me in a hole. But now a days he's been a top notch FS.

Theres just so much they need to be able to do so people get swamped in what they should add, Impatient owners, ect.

Originally posted by Challenge Everything
Speed does not need to be all that high in order to be effective.

First, looking at your build strategy it seems like you actually will have about the same speed as most good FS (95+) on your lower-leveld guys. But if you want to make this about "my safety did fine with 85 speed in Canada Pro, therefore you know nothing" then . . .


http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=374388&pbp_id=2400101 (Game 1)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=374259&pbp_id=3356871 (Game 2)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=374351&pbp_id=4293279 (Game 3)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=374352&pbp_id=5233659 (Game 4)

Your safety got burnt deep every single game I looked at . . . and the only replays I bothered to watch were the ones in which the other team scored off a long pass play, which took all of about two seconds.

I'm not trying to rag on your guy . . . he's probably a good safety . . . but I'm going to guess there's a reason you're suddenly pumping speed.

It's because if you have 85 speed as a Pro safety . . . you will give up a ton of big plays. Replay three pretty much shows why a FS has to be the fastest guy on the defense.