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How important is vision for a power back. I've always thought it was fairly low on the priority list (below strength, carrying, speed, agility and, maybe, stamina and confidence), but someone has been telling me recently that it should be at the first cap before I get carrying to the 2nd cap.

Any thoughts on this?

Who knows with the new coding Bort claimed he did for vision this season. I made a high vision back a long time ago that didn't work and decided I'd wait to see results before I put much vision points in any of my backs again.

Don't know yet for this season if anything was changed, but I've found that 40 is optimal for a power back (especially if you want to arm your guy w/ the First Down VA), but really can get by with much less. I trained it up and didn't put a single SP into it.

Originally posted by dudley
Who knows with the new coding Bort claimed he did for vision this season. I made a high vision back a long time ago that didn't work and decided I'd wait to see results before I put much vision points in any of my backs again.

What new coding?

"Many running plays have been updated to have a better handoff point, or use a new system of "hotspots" that guide the ball carrier with a bit more freedom to avoid tacklers, as opposed to heading for a set x/y point."

I'm not sure how the hotspot stuff works, but I'm guessing it would make vision more important.

Vision = a waste of SP's for a powerback

Originally posted by britdevine316
Vision = a waste of SP's for a powerback

depend on how much of a powerback he is and how much u run compared to pass.
vision is always helpful because it makes picking holes better and can really help with pass blocking

Sometimes you notice that a powerback (or any back for that matter) seems to run STRAIGHT into a defender as opposed to taking an outside angle at the defender. I have noticed that vision helps the HB to choose a better running lane (one that has a less chance of a tackle). Not that he will be superb at choosing holes, but when he does he seems to take the best path to get through the line.

If you rn on 100% power, then i don't think it will help you too much, but if you run on 70-50% power, it could work great

Originally posted by cptafw163
Sometimes you notice that a powerback (or any back for that matter) seems to run STRAIGHT into a defender as opposed to taking an outside angle at the defender. I have noticed that vision helps the HB to choose a better running lane (one that has a less chance of a tackle). Not that he will be superb at choosing holes, but when he does he seems to take the best path to get through the line.

If you rn on 100% power, then i don't think it will help you too much, but if you run on 70-50% power, it could work great

this was the story of s8 for my power back. i gave him some vision and ran him at -65 and he seemed to get to the hole a little bit better.

fwiw.

Originally posted by cptafw163
Sometimes you notice that a powerback (or any back for that matter) seems to run STRAIGHT into a defender as opposed to taking an outside angle at the defender. I have noticed that vision helps the HB to choose a better running lane (one that has a less chance of a tackle). Not that he will be superb at choosing holes, but when he does he seems to take the best path to get through the line.

If you rn on 100% power, then i don't think it will help you too much, but if you run on 70-50% power, it could work great

I definitely think that you're on the right track. Run style says how often you vision check, but it doesn't mean that you don't use vision at all, and I've seen through watching your HB's progress that vision is indeed effective. It's definitely an attribute that should be trained up for powerbacks, I'm still undecided on how high it should be ultimately given the SP that have to be allocated to SAs. . . might be fun to work on with my new HB once he's got all his majors where I want them.

My Hb needs more strength. he had a 2.4 yard per carry average, but the game wasn't as bad as you would think. 80% of his runs were 3.5-4 yards, but there were some losses and no gains. the damn LBs were just on it that game. I could not even get around them, they got to the gaps fast. But it was not because of too much dancing. Plus we got our asses handed to us that game. TOo bad we lost our powerback

I ran with 99 elusive and had not boosted. This next game I am boosted and have 67.5 vision (1 reg season game from the third cap), +2 in quick cut because of new AEQ, as well as the quick feet VAs. So we will see what happens with that much vision, SAs & VAs, and 99 elusive. I am thinking the way my back is right now he will run consistent on a 75% elusive setting.

From seeing good powerbacks on teams that I have been on...50 vision seems like all you really need. 50 vision would normally not be a good number, but for the power run style, it actually shows an improvement. For elusive running styles (slider) you may be setting the slider too high, thus making your back try to run a way he is incapable of running because he can't pas the vision check required.

But 50 vision should get you to seeing more of what you want out of a power running style.

i have mine at 100 percent power and he still picks holes very well

Originally posted by Dubs48
i have mine at 100 percent power and he still picks holes very well

thats what she said.



But in all seriousness. I don't see a need for vision unless you want to get Mr. First Down or Short Yard Monster. I wanted SYM but they decided to put a vision req on it so I said f-that, I'd rather train catching, at least I know it does something.

Originally posted by OMGWTF
Originally posted by cptafw163

Sometimes you notice that a powerback (or any back for that matter) seems to run STRAIGHT into a defender as opposed to taking an outside angle at the defender. I have noticed that vision helps the HB to choose a better running lane (one that has a less chance of a tackle). Not that he will be superb at choosing holes, but when he does he seems to take the best path to get through the line.

If you rn on 100% power, then i don't think it will help you too much, but if you run on 70-50% power, it could work great

I definitely think that you're on the right track. Run style says how often you vision check, but it doesn't mean that you don't use vision at all, and I've seen through watching your HB's progress that vision is indeed effective. It's definitely an attribute that should be trained up for powerbacks, I'm still undecided on how high it should be ultimately given the SP that have to be allocated to SAs. . . might be fun to work on with my new HB once he's got all his majors where I want them.

these pretty much sum it up. Depends solely on where you run, the further from 100% power the more vision needed. IMHO.