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The thing I'm most concerned about is improving my ability to make tackles, so should I invest in Tkl, Str or tackling SAs? Or should I focus on something else entirely? All my EQ is in Spd (I took it off before posting though), and I have a piece that gives +5 to Closing Speed, so I'm not inclined to go any further down that SA tree.

Thanks for the advice.

Strength: 31.25
Speed: 70.82
Agility: 68.82
Jumping: 49.1
Stamina: 49.07
Vision: 72.33
Confidence: 35.57

Football Skills
Blocking: 18.81
Catching: 35.34
Tackling: 49.52
Throwing: 8
Carrying: 16.51
Kicking: 8
Punting: 10

Special Abilities
Coverage Abilities
First Step: 3
Change Direction: 5
Swat Ball: 5
Superior Vision: 6
Shutdown Coverage: 1

Hard Hitter Abilities
Wrap Up Tackle: 2
Diving Tackle: 2
Growl: 0
Big Hit: 0
Closing Speed: 0

Veteran Abilities
Ball Hawk: 15
Long Reach: 7
Zone Specialist: 15

maybe strength

I would cap strength.

I may get laughed at for this remark, but I am beginning to think that Carrying is a stat I should be training up to 30. Bort has said before that Carrying affects drops, so I'm thinking to get more INTs, that I can boost up Carrying.

This is of course purely speculation, but as a FS, I really do not see much of a point to boosting Strength past 30-35. Now, I wouldn't boost it with SP if it is only 16, but I would consider training it to 25 and then dumping 5 points in it.

Originally posted by JHight
I may get laughed at for this remark, but I am beginning to think that Carrying is a stat I should be training up to 30. Bort has said before that Carrying affects drops, so I'm thinking to get more INTs, that I can boost up Carrying.

This is of course purely speculation, but as a FS, I really do not see much of a point to boosting Strength past 30-35. Now, I wouldn't boost it with SP if it is only 16, but I would consider training it to 25 and then dumping 5 points in it.

Yeah, I'm a bit ambivalent about the benefits of Str as well, but if I want to improve my tackles, it's either Str or Tkl, and Tkl costs twice as much.

Pump it all into jumping imo

Originally posted by Capaneus
Originally posted by JHight

I may get laughed at for this remark, but I am beginning to think that Carrying is a stat I should be training up to 30. Bort has said before that Carrying affects drops, so I'm thinking to get more INTs, that I can boost up Carrying.

This is of course purely speculation, but as a FS, I really do not see much of a point to boosting Strength past 30-35. Now, I wouldn't boost it with SP if it is only 16, but I would consider training it to 25 and then dumping 5 points in it.

Yeah, I'm a bit ambivalent about the benefits of Str as well, but if I want to improve my tackles, it's either Str or Tkl, and Tkl costs twice as much.

If you want to miss less tackles, +8 tackling is better than +16 strength.
However, strength also helps in several other areas, such as not allowing extra yards after the tackle, being harder to block on a screen play or raising your chance to break tackles after you intercept the ball.

Originally posted by Rodion

If you want to miss less tackles, +8 tackling is better than +16 strength.
However, strength also helps in several other areas, such as not allowing extra yards after the tackle, being harder to block on a screen play or raising your chance to break tackles after you intercept the ball.

Hmm, based on the circumstantial evidence, and what Bort's said, I'd definitely agree that 1 point in Tkl is better than 1.5 points in Str for stopping missed tackles, but I'm not sure I'd be willing to go higher than that. I agree that the ancillary benefits of Str make investing in it more appealing, but of the three you listed (1. Not allowing extra yards after the tackle 2. Being harder to block on a screen play 3. Raising your chance to break tackles after you intercept the ball.) only #1 seems really useful. In the case of #2, WR's have always been insanely good blockers on screens, despite DBs having much higher Str (though I haven't looked at this in detail since reverse pancakes got buffed last season, so things might have changed). As for #3, I've been averaging 1 Int a season, so I'd be better off upping that number before I focus on making the run back longer.

Originally posted by Capaneus
Originally posted by Rodion


If you want to miss less tackles, +8 tackling is better than +16 strength.
However, strength also helps in several other areas, such as not allowing extra yards after the tackle, being harder to block on a screen play or raising your chance to break tackles after you intercept the ball.

Hmm, based on the circumstantial evidence, and what Bort's said, I'd definitely agree that 1 point in Tkl is better than 1.5 points in Str for stopping missed tackles, but I'm not sure I'd be willing to go higher than that. I agree that the ancillary benefits of Str make investing in it more appealing, but of the three you listed (1. Not allowing extra yards after the tackle 2. Being harder to block on a screen play 3. Raising your chance to break tackles after you intercept the ball.) only #1 seems really useful. In the case of #2, WR's have always been insanely good blockers on screens, despite DBs having much higher Str (though I haven't looked at this in detail since reverse pancakes got buffed last season, so things might have changed). As for #3, I've been averaging 1 Int a season, so I'd be better off upping that number before I focus on making the run back longer.

2 and 3 are not that great. There's also a 4 (improve at forcing fumbles) and likely a 5, 6 and 7 I can't think of right now. Not of those are helping much, but I just felt I had to point out the pros and cons of each attribute.

And I think 1 tackling is better than 2 strength when it comes to not missing tackles.

Originally posted by Rodion

2 and 3 are not that great. There's also a 4 (improve at forcing fumbles) and likely a 5, 6 and 7 I can't think of right now. Not of those are helping much, but I just felt I had to point out the pros and cons of each attribute.

And I think 1 tackling is better than 2 strength when it comes to not missing tackles.

Yeah, I guess I was hoping you'd expand on why you thought that. But I do appreciate the advice.

Unless you're missing a lot of tackles, I'd say strength is almost categorically better than tackling for DBs in general. Even if you are, while tackling is better than strength for missed tackles it isn't twice as good, and has none of strength's ancillary benefits.

The most noticable effect of strength on pass defense is the increase in PDs you get from hitting the ball-carrier right as they make the catch. This is controversial, but several factors and experiments seem to support it. All I can say is any DB I make from now on (even a CB) will always have higher strength than tackling.

I did a little research over scouting bars (making level 1s, training 3 times and dumping 15 SPs in order to see how fast the bars move). Actually, 1 tackling being better than 1.5 strength (but not 2) seems more accurate than what I used to think.

I'd say strength, primarily for the jackhammer VA.