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Alright,

I have been posting my vision HB project here for a while. Last season was not the best seaon, but it was more inconsistent, than anything else.


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Physical Attributes Football Skills
Strength:
21.56
Blocking:
15.75
Speed:
81.56
Tackling:
9
Agility:
78.25
Throwing:
15.75
Jumping:
15.75
Catching:
24.75
Stamina:
31.75
Carrying:
40.56
Vision:
61.58
Kicking:
8
Confidence:
34.56
Punting:
8
Current Energy and Morale
Energy:
100
Morale:
100
Current Bonuses
Attribute Bonus
Speed +6.26

Special Abilities | Veteran Abilities
Elusive Back Abilities
5 QC
4 HF
3 FS
7 JKE
1 SPN
Power Back Abilities
2 CU
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0

Lessons learned:

1. SAs are necessary for an elusive HB to do elusive things....especially as the LBs get better.
PLAN: I have juke gear, and just rolled QC gear. i have 24 tokens saved, so that will bring my HB to 7 QC. Should take care of the SA deficiency.

2. Vision at 61 is not enough to play at 99 elusive against quality defenses. i also think confidence has something to do with decision making.
PLAN: Third cap vision, keep training confidence and cap it midseason. Also, I will need to scout defenses to decide what the running slider should be. i have been dabbling with it and i have noticed that playing against a top tier team requires 50 elusive or less to be consistent. 60 is OK but not consistent. 75-99/SE will get you some good gains here and there but a 6 yard TFL every 6 carries. Bottom line: not consistent enough.

In terms of when i will be implementing the changes:

I will play my HB AS IS for the first scrimmage game (hopefully a decent opponent) with 99 elusive. To have a BASELINE. Then i will third cap vision for the second scrim game to see if there is an improvement. But i am not the OC, so the gameplan may change.

AFTER the scrimmages, i will utilize the QC AEQ in order to see the effect of more QC on a vision/elusive HB.

i will report the results here in a new thread.

The only plan i cannot inact is the confidence theory. That will have to wait until midseason.

The reason i do this is because many dispell vision ebcause people have capped it and they freak out that their HB is not reggie bush. I am just trying to see if HGH vision is needed. Thats why my HB has girlish strength. if i wanted to break tackles with my HB, I would have put points into spin. Spin is the power thru of elusive backs. I think it can be effective with lots of slippery as well. but thats not the type of back i am building. i do not want contact....he is weak and may get injured.

--Dan

The ability of a HB to change a play direction is how a true elusive HB will earn his worth:

Here is my HB changing direction from a designed run play to the left, to cuting it back to the inside. Notice how the SS senses the play is coming and goes to the weak side to pursue where the HB is SUPPOSED to be. then the SS gets juked momentarily and there is a clear lane. This is hwy QC is so important, less speed lost in this decision will mean getting to the hole before it closes:
Weak I slam left:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=398989&pbp_id=12178980

Pro set OT outside handoff to the right: Again, the SS pursues to where the HB is SUPPOSED to go, and the HB notices a lane and cuts it back to the inside:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=398982&pbp_id=5634457

EDIT: does anyone think that Clutch or Red ZOne freak would be a good option to increase plays like this?

I think there is an art to USING an elusive HB. And, like real football, you might not feature the elusive guy for every defense....fast LBs...hit him with your power guy and keep your elusive back happy with the HB flood and HB flat from th shotgun. Slow hard hitting defense, the elusive back will shine just as good as a power back if not more.

So, i think utilization and playcalling also has a bigger effect than most would think with the success of an elusive back...or any player for that matter.

Originally posted by cptafw163


Pro set sweep outside handoff to the right: Again, the SS pursues to where the HB is SUPPOSED to go, and the HB notices a lane and cuts it back to the inside:
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=398982&pbp_id=5634457


This is the HB OT play from proset he went where he was supposed to. You can tell because the TE doesnt pull outside to lead block.

I definitely agree that play calling has a huge effect on elusive backs. You have to get them in the open or headed outside for them to do anything with consistency.

Cant wait to see your experiment go all the way. I have sworn off vision until I see conclusive evidence and this might end up being that evidence

You are right, it is the pro set OT. But the HB is supposed to go between the TE and OT. He went between the OT and guard.

but thats splitting hairs. i like experiments because its fun. And hopefully i can keep guys from retiring their elusives and cause less headaches.

It can be done, but its an art form. hopefully I have some good data.

--Dan

ALso, here is the bad thing. With vision at 68...not many people will be able to "change gears" in time to make a difference if their vision is at 49 or less. Basically it would take someone 2 seasons to compensate for the low vision.

This is more for the guy who has a level 1-12 HB right now. The points not spent in strength are what is needed to 3 cap agility, speed, vision and first cap confidence and carrying. Although i am not too sure about carrying for elusives. So thats why conf is next on the agenda rather than carrying. Good thing is that i can train conf/carry. Then when carry is capped, i can train carry strength.

This back will probably have strength capped at level 50...or maybe second cap confidence....but that's too far ahead in the future. I have to keep my eyes set on this season.

--Dan

I will be waiting to boost my player for this season. Not until before the last scrim. Since there are 4 scrimmages, that's a lot of data that i can examine to determine the right plan of action for this season's development. But i will still be third capping vision before the last scrim.

--Dan

Originally posted by cptafw163
ALso, here is the bad thing. With vision at 68...not many people will be able to "change gears" in time to make a difference if their vision is at 49 or less. Basically it would take someone 2 seasons to compensate for the low vision.

This is more for the guy who has a level 1-12 HB right now. The points not spent in strength are what is needed to 3 cap agility, speed, vision and first cap confidence and carrying. Although i am not too sure about carrying for elusives. So thats why conf is next on the agenda rather than carrying. Good thing is that i can train conf/carry. Then when carry is capped, i can train carry strength.

This back will probably have strength capped at level 50...or maybe second cap confidence....but that's too far ahead in the future. I have to keep my eyes set on this season.

--Dan

I think carry is very important for elusives. Dont have any proof yet but just feeling. It is supposed to help with football moves so with high carry HF,juke, and spin should activate much more. it will also help you break tackles

^^ Yeah, i have been thinking the same thing on that. My carrying is 40. Nothing special, but good-nuff for now. Training that and confidence.

The right answer leans to carrying being the best choice, but my HB has been an experiment form day 1, so maybe choosing to cap conf before carrying will show us all some good data (prove/disprove).

OH,

the OC of the team my HB is on forgot to put my player in the depth chart. So i have no data for this scrimmage. i will have to wait till the next scrimmage to report the baseline results. Scrimmage 4 will be the game where i will be boosted and my VAs will be reset. Still need moire data on this years' sim before I allocate any points...but I will still first cap vision.

--dan