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Underdawg08
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Boost 3 times at the end of your second season. and again at the beginning of your 3rd. if you want. You could boost to level 4 right away too. it's your guy. But to build more optimally You should wait on boosting 1st season.

First you intense train speed and agility to 28, both. Which really is the best way to go, If you are slow building.

Once they hit 28 each Bring the bars up to 90-99% full then move on to Str and Tackling.

once speed and agility hit 28, dump everything you have into agility.

Ends are easy to go from cap to cap without over spending. ON the first agility cap get even
So you go from 48-49 for 1 point.

2nd cap can be even or .50 so you go from 60-61 for 2 points.

same with the 3rd cap you go from 67-68 for 3.

get even at 73, so you go from 73-74 for 4.

get even so you go from 77-78 for 5. Now stop.

You will bring agility all the way up to 78 while training str and tackling to 28.

after agility is 78 you will still have about 10 levels left to gain. so that's about 5 more points net. You will have 83 agility by level 22.

Use your bonus token if you need to get the extra sp's at every cap. to make sure you go from cap to cap at minimum cost to the build.

once agility hits 78 bring speed up to 68, and put every single piece of equipment custom ect..... in Speed or +6 speed + all your equipment in agility. You're shooting for about 80 speed and 100+ agility by level 32.

Ok while you're doing this your str and tackling will hit 28. when they hit 28 fill them up almost to 29, then start intense training vision and confidence. or stamina and jumping if stamina is an issue.

Start dumping in str till it hits 49 or 61 whichever you prefer.

Ignore tackling for now.You will definitely want it later.But for now You aren't that guy. you're a sack guy. It seems logical to have tackling, but any s.p you spend in tackling is taking away from what you want to specialize in. Which is sacking the quarterback.

You eventually want to cap stamina, vision, and confidence. But you want to make sure you train them all up to at least 28. any attribute you train to 28, makes it so you only need 4 levels of s.p to cap it. You save a lot of sp's for later to boost up your s.a's which can be deadly for a good end.

S.a's

First step
Shed Blocks and T.V.

Those are the only 3 s.a's you really need. they all need to be relatively high.
You really want to try and find two pieces of A.E. your targets are
+3 speed or agility or 5%break block +1T Tunnel vision and
+3 speed or agility or 5%break block+1 Shed Blocks.

If you find just the s.a's that's ok, just upgrade them with speed. You're really shooting for about 11 or 12 in both shed block and tunnel vision, without having to spend the 4 and 5 sp's to get them that high.

V.a's Heavyweight, JTS, quick are all good choices
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Barnsie
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Actually a lot of good info in this thread tbh
 
Underdawg08
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Originally posted by Barnsie
Actually a lot of good info in this thread tbh


thanks man. it's Off the top of my head. I hope it makes sense to the noobs. Haha
 
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
I am a total jack ass.
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Redrover
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i think you'd save some points while still reaching your speed and agility by simply stopping at 73 agility, bring speed to 73 also, and using one equipment piece for all agility

78 agility + 68 speed + 1 speed piece is more points than 73 agility + 73 speed + 1 agility piece, no?
 
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Originally posted by Redrover
i think you'd save some points while still reaching your speed and agility by simply stopping at 73 agility, bring speed to 73 also, and using one equipment piece for all agility

78 agility + 68 speed + 1 speed piece is more points than 73 agility + 73 speed + 1 agility piece, no?


that's pretty much exactly what i did with my current lvl 24 de.
 
direfire
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I think higher agility would be give more benefits to this build. I would go 100 agility, 85 speed.

Here's my thoughts. Agility helps you change direction that's true for any position.With this conclusion Agility + high CD would be awesome. I am guessing shed blocks is effected by agility, str, then speed ( I could be wrong on this and str and spd could be switched in order of importance.) Tunnel vision is equally effected by speed and agility but i'd say more so by speed since it's all about closing in on the QB.

so in conclusion a first step build should be built with high speed and a change direction build should be high agility. The SA's imo are placed in the tree in the order of how good they are so imo high agi + high CD > high spd + high FS.

Thoughts?
 
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really good but confusing hope i get it
 
park avenue
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Originally posted by direfire
The SA's imo are placed in the tree in the order of how good they are so imo high agi + high CD > high spd + high FS.

Thoughts?


I would have to disagree with this.

Is big sack > tunnel vision

Using a QB is turn shoulder > tight spiral

Using a CB is Smooth Operator > Super Vision

 
Underdawg08
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Originally posted by Redrover
i think you'd save some points while still reaching your speed and agility by simply stopping at 73 agility, bring speed to 73 also, and using one equipment piece for all agility

78 agility + 68 speed + 1 speed piece is more points than 73 agility + 73 speed + 1 agility piece, no?


I would rather bring agility up to 78 and let it gain. That way it's at a natural 85-90 by level 40ish, and you don't really have to put any equipment in it and you can concentrate all your equipment in speed. Saving points now doesn't translate to a better build later. In the early stages of a d.e's career you pretty much want to ignore everything but speed and agility.

If you're real ballsy you can actually take agility up higher, and be like 120 speed 100 agility at level 40 if you do it right.

Of course you won't have ANYTHING else. that would be a little over kill. But if you do this plan you will be rocking about season 4. then you will get even better from there once the s.a's are applied and the build starts rounding out.

Plus stopping at 78 is the 6:1 cap. you are saving 6 sp's from there on out, per every point it gains. then 7, then so on and so forth. by about level 22 you will be in the 7:1 - 8:1 cap for agility. once you hit 78, you train it one more time because it should be filled, and that's 6 free s.p.

and bringing speed to 68 is the minimum. You can go higher. But once you bring it to 68, it should at least gain to 70 by level 40, and at level 40 you get +30 with all your equipment and custom. so you're looking at 100+ speed there.
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direfire
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Originally posted by park avenue
Originally posted by direfire

The SA's imo are placed in the tree in the order of how good they are so imo high agi + high CD > high spd + high FS.

Thoughts?


I would have to disagree with this.

Is big sack > tunnel vision

Using a QB is turn shoulder > tight spiral

Using a CB is Smooth Operator > Super Vision



I haven't really checked out the other positions but for DE yes Big Sack>Tunnel Vision. You aren't going to get a whole lot of big sacks if you don't have high Tunnel Vision. I do believe that if you can get to the QB consistently then I would rather pump up Big Sack then TV.
 
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Originally posted by direfire
Originally posted by park avenue

Originally posted by direfire


The SA's imo are placed in the tree in the order of how good they are so imo high agi + high CD > high spd + high FS.

Thoughts?


I would have to disagree with this.

Is big sack > tunnel vision

Using a QB is turn shoulder > tight spiral

Using a CB is Smooth Operator > Super Vision



I haven't really checked out the other positions but for DE yes Big Sack>Tunnel Vision. You aren't going to get a whole lot of big sacks if you don't have high Tunnel Vision. I do believe that if you can get to the QB consistently then I would rather pump up Big Sack then TV.


!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?

TV >>>>>>>>>>>>> Big sack
its not even close there is a huge gap between TV and big sack
with the current state of DE pass rushing, its highly unlikely you will get a sack without TV
 
mmuhr
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You have inspired me to build a DE underdogs. Thanks for the awesome guide. You should make one for all those CB newbies. Of course CB building is probably much more difficult and controversial.
 
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I'm doing something similar to this with my DE. I started off with Speed, though I am going to push Agility to the 6f1 cap at 77.29. Then I'll triple cap Strength. I'm basically going for a real physical freak of nature with super high physical attributes and I'll probably start working on SAs around like level 50+. Figure by then I'll have 120+Speed and 80+Agility to go with 75+Strength, 65+Tackling, and 50+Vis/Con/Sta.
 
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Originally posted by mmuhr
You have inspired me to build a DE underdogs. Thanks for the awesome guide. You should make one for all those CB newbies. Of course CB building is probably much more difficult and controversial.


I am not completely done researching corners.
 
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