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Here's a problem I'm having with my team. I'm not getting any playing time. My owner promised me a minimum of 100 xp per game to sign with him. I didn't get any playing time in the last game--a total of ZERO for game experience...points I can never make up.

My owner says I'm on the depth chart for each game and that the sub in/out setting is 98/99 (or 99/1) or whatever is required to alternate players every other play. I can't see the settings, so I have to take my owner's word for it that what he is saying is accurate.

Here's the ACTUAL player rotation for a recent game which was the very first drive of the game which lasted 8 plays for our defense…again, the data is actual data:

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LDE (3 points difference in stamina between starter and backup):

PERFECT rotation between Starter and Backup. Starter plays first play, Backup plays second play, Starter plays third play, Backup, Starter, Backup, Starter, Backup…end of drive. Again, we got PERFECT alternation here between the backup and the starter.

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NT (1 point difference in stamina between starter and backup):

Again, Starter on odd plays, Backup on even plays until the end of the drive. PERFECT alternation between the backup and the starter.

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RDE (6 points difference between starter and backup):

Ditto. Perfect alternation between starter and backup. No deviation whatsoever.

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Here's where it differs (my guy is the backup DT)

DT (6 points difference between starter and backup):

Starter, starter, starter, starter, starter, starter, starter, starter. The starter plays EVERY single play.

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My question is how can this be happening. Especially if the settings are the same and my player is on the depth chart. My owner cannot explain the situation.

I just can't help but feel there is something wrong here.

Again, I feel as though someone is not being honest with me. And I'm not sure where the problem lies.

If perfect rotation is occurring for all the other positions, and I'm getting ZERO plays...my first impression is that someone is telling a huge story here.

Is there another reason I might not be getting player rotation when it is occurring at all other positions on the DLine???

I see that you are #2 at DT and #3 at NT

as far as NT goes, you will NEVER see any time at #3 nt if he has 99/1....so theres no point in you even be on the depth chart there if he truly is running 99/1


As far as DT goes, you are at #2, so there are only 2 possibilities

1) he did NOT have it at 99/1

or

2) tehre was some kind of error or bug

because if he had 99/1 you would alternate plays if it was working as intended


EDIT:

3rd possibility i just thought of---

You were newly acquired and he was UNABLE (by Bort's rule) to add you to the depth chart until a game simmed.

Originally posted by mantis7
I see that you are #2 at DT and #3 at NT

as far as NT goes, you will NEVER see any time at #3 nt if he has 99/1....so theres no point in you even be on the depth chart there if he truly is running 99/1


As far as DT goes, you are at #2, so there are only 2 possibilities

1) he did NOT have it at 99/1

or

2) tehre was some kind of error or bug

because if he had 99/1 you would alternate plays if it was working as intended

Thanks. I appreciate your response.

I want to make sure (as sure as possible) that there isn't something I'm doing. I was guaranteed 100 xp per game to sign and I'm very upset by all this. The owner is really making it out to be my problem...just another disgruntled player because I happened to mention that I didn't get any playing time.

For the life of me, I just don't understand how I get absolutely no plays at all when the rotation seems to be working perfectly at all the other positions.

Use 92/95 on the NT depth chart for 3 people. But what are the settings for the DT. I have 2 DT's and 2 NT's and getting them equal playing time

Originally posted by MustangLife
Use 92/95 on the NT depth chart for 3 people. But what are the settings for the DT. I have 2 DT's and 2 NT's and getting them equal playing time

I was told that the settings are the same for all the positions. This problem actually began late last season and I was told that increasing stamina would be a solution to the problem. Well, I put all my boost points into stamina and, BAM, no playing time at all in the first regular season game.

Would there be a difference between 99/1 and 98/99?

Originally posted by MustangLife
Use 92/95 on the NT depth chart for 3 people. But what are the settings for the DT. I have 2 DT's and 2 NT's and getting them equal playing time

The other three positions on the DLine are getting very good distribution of playing time...they alternate almost perfectly on every other play: Starter, Backup, Starter, Backup, and so on.

The only position where the starter plays every down is at DT.

Of course, again, part of the problem is that I cannot see what the setting is. I'm at the mercy of the owner there so I have no way of telling for sure what the setting is.

Could if really be my fault? Is there something I could be doing that would affect this?

Originally posted by JGrob
Would there be a difference between 99/1 and 98/99?

99/1 will split time evenly, between 2 players, regardless of stamina

98/99 will favor the player with more stamina, but both should get plays

Originally posted by JGrob
Could if really be my fault? Is there something I could be doing that would affect this?

No. It is possible there was/still is an error in the advanced AI or some kind of glitch that took you off of the depth chart...or

Most likely i bet I know what happened.....

One question...Were you newly acquired right before the game? Say within a day or 2? Because with newly acquired players, the owner is unable to add them to the depth chart until right after the next game is simmed sometimes, depending on if you played another game recently before you signed with the new team.....I am thinking this is what happened to you. It happened to a buddy of mine and he lost out on a game also. If this happened to you, it is definitely not the owners fault, it is a rule put in place to prevent people from getting too much xp in a season...or being able to play in extra games.

Originally posted by mantis7
Originally posted by JGrob

Could if really be my fault? Is there something I could be doing that would affect this?

No. It is possible there was/still is an error in the advanced AI or some kind of glitch that took you off of the depth chart...or

Most likely:

One question...Were you newly acquired right before the game? Say within a day or 2? Because with newly acquired players, the owner is unable to add them to the depth chart until right after the next game is simmed sometimes, depending on if you played another game recently before you signed with the new team.....I am thinking this is what happened to you. It happened to a buddy of mine and he lost out on a game also.

No, I actually signed last season. The problem existed to various extents for much of last season but I was informed then that it was primarily a Stamina problem. I added all my boost points to stamina to bring my player within six points of the other player and I still got ZERO plays for our first regular season game.

The RDE position rotates perfectly despite also being six points apart in Stamina. In fact, all the other positions rotate perfectly except for the position I play.

I'm losing a lot of game experience points that I can never replace. I don't want to keep losing them. If I'm being fed a pile of crap I'd like to go elsewhere and get my playing time there.

I'll open up my DT's stats for inspection.

Thanks for your help by the way. I appreciate you guys taking the time to help me.

Ok that struck me as odd......but I think I figured out what happened


The DT position only got 26 snaps the entire game as how i read it

(you and franklin are the only DT's and he got 26 plays total, and he is #1)

I didnt look at the play by play, but basically this can mean only 1 or 2 things...


Your team is running a ton of 3 man fronts, which means the NT's are getting the regular amount of plays, but any time a 3 man front is called, the only DT's in the game are those listed at NT.....

So any time a 3 man front is called , you and Franklin lose a play and rest...So it looks like Franklin never got below whatever MIN. energy at the DT spot....cuz he only played 26 times...

This SHOULDNT happen if you play two 4-man fronts in a row, but maybe you never did?

I am pretty sure thats what happened.....

Anyhow if your team runs a 3-man front ALL the time like that, the DT's will get alot less plays (cuz the NT's are the only ones in the game)

Anyhow check out the play by play and look at the fronts to get a better view of all the fronts used and also why...

Ok i took a look at a TINY bit of the play by play just randomly...

Your DC calls a 335 against the SB formation, and the team you played used the SB formation A LOT...which is why so many 3 man fronts were called....

I never found a spot in the game where two 4-man fronts were played in a row...

But to make a long story short, your player will not see any action unless your DC calls two 4-man fronts in a row.. and that is the crux of your problem.

That is the problem. (maybe only a problem against the SB formation though, which the team you played HAPPENED to run alot of)

edit: also your DC runs 3 man fronts against other things.... so far from what I have seen he only uses 4 man fronts against 2WR formations, like I-form, strong I, weak I, etc...

The 4 man fronts are the only ones where you get a DT and a NT playing at same time, which is what u need two of in a row to get playing time...so if you go thru the game and find a spot where two 4-man fronts are called back-back and you STILL dont go in, then I will not know wtf is going on....