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PatsFan94
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I think i'm going to reset my CB's VA's and have and have 7 VA's to spend also have a set of EQ to upgrade what is the best to spend it on. Right now I got for major attributes
Speed: 72.41 (59.41 without EQ)
Agility: 66.6 (56.6 without EQ)
Vison: 48.05
Jumping: 40.51
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LostPeon
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Equipment - +4 speed
VAs - Track Star
 
spicymaguro
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in similar shoes..... what about Long Reach, or Zone Specialist?
 
Jazzpelli
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I would do an attribute first, maybe two (track star and quick) then go for something like Long Reach. Zone specialist would be worthless unless your defense is playing zone half the time at least. Unlikely as I've heard of only a few teams that do that.
 
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Long Reach Sucks... Keep Wasting Your Points In It Please
 
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Originally posted by Jazzpelli
I would do an attribute first, maybe two (track star and quick) then go for something like Long Reach. Zone specialist would be worthless unless your defense is playing zone half the time at least. Unlikely as I've heard of only a few teams that do that.


Zone specialist is awesome for the FS, but not for a CB who will not be playing zone that often usually.

LostPeon has the right idea, although I'm a fan of 1 permanent point in Long Reach to give you a small chance at the double roll. Track Star is the best VA for CBs.
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LostPeon
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Originally posted by misled
Long Reach Sucks... Keep Wasting Your Points In It Please


Not true. Keep spreading false rumors, please.
 
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Originally posted by misled
Long Reach Sucks... Keep Wasting Your Points In It Please


You Sir dont know what you talk aboutī. īCause your lvl 27 CB cant do much with it, (1) you only have 2 VAīs to spend on that lvl, (2) he is still developing so its unlikely that he has a good chance to get PDīs anyway - and your stats prove me right
 
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Originally posted by LostPeon
Originally posted by misled

Long Reach Sucks... Keep Wasting Your Points In It Please


Not true. Keep spreading false rumors, please.


long reach ... it doesnt suck its just NOT the best option ...

spend your VXP on agility ... keep putting it there ...

equipment can go all speed, personally id say go 50/50 speed and agility since they are both so close to the 2nd cap, then you can work on getting vision to the 2nd cap
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Homage
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Originally posted by codegod8
Originally posted by misled

Long Reach Sucks... Keep Wasting Your Points In It Please


You
Sir dont know what you talk aboutī. īCause your lvl 27 CB cant do much
with it, (1) you only have 2 VAīs to spend on that lvl, (2) he is still
developing so its unlikely that he has a good chance to get PDīs anyway
- and your stats prove me right


It's so funny when you say something bluntly and to the point rather than eloquently you get 20x the responses.
I don't feel like going through with the math with you... but if you think investing that many VA points EVEN AT 15 is worth it... than you're fooling yourself.

And I'm sorry... but my CB > yours. For someone who tries to throw out the stats argument...

16 less games... 4 More Interceptions & 5 INT TD's to your 0.
Also my guys 12 PD's > Your 2 PD's for this season.
To make matters worse... Disco was barely thrown at all last season.
If you don't believe me watch all the replays.

And to repeat for those who missed it... Long Reach Sucks. Use Your Points Elsewhere.
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Originally posted by misled

It's so funny when you say something bluntly and to the point rather than eloquently you get 20x the responses.


It only shows lack of manners and education.

Anyway I am pretty sure he speaks of this guy: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=341365

Your argument is null and void Sir as you have no proof for what you say
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Homage
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Originally posted by cornerbackX24
Originally posted by misled


It's so funny when you say something bluntly and to the point rather than eloquently you get 20x the responses.


It only shows lack of manners and education.

Anyway I am pretty sure he speaks of this guy: http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=341365

Your argument is null and void Sir as you have no proof for what you say


I don't even understand the point of your comparison...
And you didn't exactly disprove my theory or PROVE yours.
I may not have proof that it doesn't work, but you don't have proof that it works either.
It's nothing but speculation... can you tell me out of how many times you're thrown to that you miss a deflection roll or just don't make it in time? Can you tell me the difference between a good first roll and a good second roll?

The answer to those 2 questions is obviously, No.

You're basically arguing that it works because your deflection numbers went up... when you actually have no idea if that's necessarily true or not. A number of people have given numbers that their PD's have gone down with 15 in LR. Of course, even then it's not necessarily disproving that it doesn't work either. All I'm saying is it's an unquantifiable stat that neither you nor I can say for sure how well it works. I'd much rather spend points on speed, agility, vision, ballhawk, etc.

I merely stated my opinion... if you felt that my comment was rude in anyway, you really need a thicker skin. I could've said a lot worse.
 
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misled...the problem is, theres nothing for you to base your opinion on. your CB is lvl 27. so at most u have wat like 3 VA's? theres no way you could have seen any results at all regarding long reach, let alone negative ones.

and while there is no way to simply look at the raw data and say how many PD's LR was directly responsible for, if you watch the plays and notice a decrease in the amount of catches u give up while your blanketing the WR, then its safe to saw its having some effect. besides, its not like the VA is worded ambiguously. it clearly states the % to get another roll. now everyones CB misses the PD rolls, so how could it not help?

personally i think it is a very good VA. not necessarily the best for CB's. but one of the top ones that should be a priority.

what it basically breaks down to for me is, if your CB is good, he will be in good position most of the time. rarely do i find my CB giving up catches to guys where they have simply out run/juked him. the problem is making a play on the ball once your in position. If u need to max track star and quick just to be able to keep up with the WR's you're covering, then your either severely out leveled our your build is flawed. thats why LR is a good VA. just like jumping(an extremely underrated ATR.) it helps you make a play on the ball. Once you reach higher levels, you will realize that this is much more important than being just a little bit faster.
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Originally posted by phat_lyk_dat
misled...the problem is, theres nothing for you to base your opinion on. your CB is lvl 27. so at most u have wat like 3 VA's? theres no way you could have seen any results at all regarding long reach, let alone negative ones.

and while there is no way to simply look at the raw data and say how many PD's LR was directly responsible for, if you watch the plays and notice a decrease in the amount of catches u give up while your blanketing the WR, then its safe to saw its having some effect. besides, its not like the VA is worded ambiguously. it clearly states the % to get another roll. now everyones CB misses the PD rolls, so how could it not help?

personally i think it is a very good VA. not necessarily the best for CB's. but one of the top ones that should be a priority.

what it basically breaks down to for me is, if your CB is good, he will be in good position most of the time. rarely do i find my CB giving up catches to guys where they have simply out run/juked him. the problem is making a play on the ball once your in position. If u need to max track star and quick just to be able to keep up with the WR's you're covering, then your either severely out leveled our your build is flawed. thats why LR is a good VA. just like jumping(an extremely underrated ATR.) it helps you make a play on the ball. Once you reach higher levels, you will realize that this is much more important than being just a little bit faster.


I think Speed is the most overated skills for a CB if you play in a wel built offense. At least everybody always told me my CB would get burned, wasnt fast enough to keep up with the 100 speed WR, yet my guy only got burned once for a long ass TD in his whole career and it was when we screwed up our tactics and we played against colon griffer in season 5 or so.

I think long reach is the best Va, if you are consistenly in position to deflect pass, if not its worrthles, try to up skills to be able to be in position to deflect pass, first.
 
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Originally posted by kostitsyn
Originally posted by phat_lyk_dat

misled...the problem is, theres nothing for you to base your opinion on. your CB is lvl 27. so at most u have wat like 3 VA's? theres no way you could have seen any results at all regarding long reach, let alone negative ones.

and while there is no way to simply look at the raw data and say how many PD's LR was directly responsible for, if you watch the plays and notice a decrease in the amount of catches u give up while your blanketing the WR, then its safe to saw its having some effect. besides, its not like the VA is worded ambiguously. it clearly states the % to get another roll. now everyones CB misses the PD rolls, so how could it not help?

personally i think it is a very good VA. not necessarily the best for CB's. but one of the top ones that should be a priority.

what it basically breaks down to for me is, if your CB is good, he will be in good position most of the time. rarely do i find my CB giving up catches to guys where they have simply out run/juked him. the problem is making a play on the ball once your in position. If u need to max track star and quick just to be able to keep up with the WR's you're covering, then your either severely out leveled our your build is flawed. thats why LR is a good VA. just like jumping(an extremely underrated ATR.) it helps you make a play on the ball. Once you reach higher levels, you will realize that this is much more important than being just a little bit faster.


I think Speed is the most overated skills for a CB if you play in a wel built offense. At least everybody always told me my CB would get burned, wasnt fast enough to keep up with the 100 speed WR, yet my guy only got burned once for a long ass TD in his whole career and it was when we screwed up our tactics and we played against colon griffer in season 5 or so.

I think long reach is the best Va, if you are consistenly in position to deflect pass, if not its worrthles, try to up skills to be able to be in position to deflect pass, first.


long reach is NOT the best va for cb's, cb's get 2 pd rolls to begin with, focus on those.
its not the 2nd 3rd or 4th best va for a cb either ... its in the 5-7 range of importance
 
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