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I was looking forward to the reset to put a few more points in Clutch.

But now we have

Soccer Star - 1% punting
Nail In Coffin - 2% better likelihood of hitting a corner
Clutch - better perfromance on 4th downs
Leg of Steel - +5% chance to increase punting power by 25% when punting from inside your own 20

Plus
Workout Warrior - 1% strength
Football Genius - 1% vision
Swagger - 1% confidence

It's a lot to work on

What's 2nd best after you fill up the Soccer?

Originally posted by evynnesmith@gmail.com
What's 2nd best after you fill up the Soccer?

Is over 100 punting though going to help us more than Clutch or Nail in Coffin. Coffins are the best types of punts now, and a 20% better chance of hitting one could be huge.

I'm debating going all in on nail in coffin. Most of us can attempt coffins when the LOS is within the 50. a 20% chance of hitting vs 10% on a raw ability.that is only a component in the chance to hit the corner.

Most important are IMHO:
Soccer Star
Clutch
Nail in Coffin

I'm not too big on leg of steel, when that triggers you are usually being blown out.

Originally posted by bashildy
I'm debating going all in on nail in coffin. Most of us can attempt coffins when the LOS is within the 50. a 20% chance of hitting vs 10% on a raw ability.that is only a component in the chance to hit the corner.

Most important are IMHO:
Soccer Star
Clutch
Nail in Coffin

I'm not too big on leg of steel, when that triggers you are usually being blown out.

Good points.

I am leaning this way as well. (ss first) I looked at last seasons stats, and of my guy's 84 punts 43 went out of bounds (42 inside the 20) so 1/2 of his kicks were coffin without nail in coffin He also had 12 TBs. If I had 15 in nail, that would =30% chance of not missing the corner. So around 4 more may have been corner kicks, pretty much only netting about 50 more yards on the season (and I had not been utilizing Clutch like I should have been last season) (would have improved the average only .6 yards per punt)

I figure Soccer star helps all aspects of punting, including the coffin, clutch also improves perfromance.

I also will add Swagger in the FP for the 1% confidence.

I went with Soccer Star and Swagger and I'm not sure If I want to do the reset or not. Nail in Coffin is tempting, but I'm pretty hesitant about giving it a shot though...

Leg of Steel - This player punts with great power. Each level of Leg of Steel gives a +5% chance to increase punting power by 25% when punting from inside your own 20.

Do they use line of scrimmage or punter's spot to determine "inside the 20"?

Originally posted by toppsson

Leg of Steel - This player punts with great power. Each level of Leg of Steel gives a +5% chance to increase punting power by 25% when punting from inside your own 20.

Do they use line of scrimmage or punter's spot to determine "inside the 20"?

I want t know this too, because if the line of scrimmage is inside the 30 the punter looks like he is standing inside the 20.

This could be a great VA for getting your team out of trouble.

Only problem I see with that is - if you're punting inside your 20 often enough to get a good use from this VA, your team has a lot more issues than it's punter.

I think leg of steel is a poor long-term investment, even on a bad team. Build expecting to have a good team, IMO.

In that case, the coffin corner one makes good sense. Good teams and punters are often in sticky punt or go for it situations just outside of FG range. Having a punter who can pin the opponent consistently inside the 5 makes the decision a heck of a lot easier, as even a bad GLB defense has good chances at preventing a 95 yard drive.

Originally posted by Octowned
Only problem I see with that is - if you're punting inside your 20 often enough to get a good use from this VA, your team has a lot more issues than it's punter.

I think leg of steel is a poor long-term investment, even on a bad team. Build expecting to have a good team, IMO.

In that case, the coffin corner one makes good sense. Good teams and punters are often in sticky punt or go for it situations just outside of FG range. Having a punter who can pin the opponent consistently inside the 5 makes the decision a heck of a lot easier, as even a bad GLB defense has good chances at preventing a 95 yard drive.

QFT

Originally posted by kbbl
I am leaning this way as well. (ss first) I looked at last seasons stats, and of my guy's 84 punts 43 went out of bounds (42 inside the 20) so 1/2 of his kicks were coffin without nail in coffin He also had 12 TBs. If I had 15 in nail, that would =30% chance of not missing the corner. So around 4 more may have been corner kicks, pretty much only netting about 50 more yards on the season (and I had not been utilizing Clutch like I should have been last season) (would have improved the average only .6 yards per punt)



I just realized my logic/math was probably faulty. I was assuming that every TB would have a 30% increase chance to not be one (15 points 2% chance per) But it's closer to being 30% chance of every punt near the corner. That probably would be less than the 4 I predicted??? (I may still be missing something here)

B.

OK i did some math on Leg of Steel to make sure I didn't miss anything.

A 5% chance, to get a 25% increase, that is only eligible within the LOS of 20.
It is unknown if the 25% increase affects PUNT, or total formula. Assuming punt since that's all we know.

Less than 10% of my punts will take place within the 20, but I'll use three team samples. 5%,10%,20% within own 20.

So the net return on each VA point on this one is the following:

PUNT = 80.

Soccer Star: 1% boost.
Chance of activation: 100%
Bonus Per Punt: 0.8 per punt.

Leg of Steel:

When active: 25% boost ( 20 points )
Chance of activation: 5% * ( 5% of punts within 20 ) = 0.25% of punts
Bonus Per Punt: 20 * 0.25% = 0.05 per Punt
Chance of activation: 5% * ( 10% of punts within 20 ) = 0.5% of punts
Bonus Per Punt: 20 * 0.50% = 0.10 per Punt
Chance of activation: 5% * ( 20% of punts within 20 ) = 1% of punts
Bonus Per Punt: 20 * 1.00% = 0.20 per Punt

Even if this affected some other formula as opposed to the punt statistic, this is I believe a wasted VA.

Originally posted by bashildy
OK i did some math on Leg of Steel to make sure I didn't miss anything.

A 5% chance, to get a 25% increase, that is only eligible within the LOS of 20.
It is unknown if the 25% increase affects PUNT, or total formula. Assuming punt since that's all we know.

Less than 10% of my punts will take place within the 20, but I'll use three team samples. 5%,10%,20% within own 20.

So the net return on each VA point on this one is the following:

PUNT = 80.

Soccer Star: 1% boost.
Chance of activation: 100%
Bonus Per Punt: 0.8 per punt.

Leg of Steel:

When active: 25% boost ( 20 points )
Chance of activation: 5% * ( 5% of punts within 20 ) = 0.25% of punts
Bonus Per Punt: 20 * 0.25% = 0.05 per Punt
Chance of activation: 5% * ( 10% of punts within 20 ) = 0.5% of punts
Bonus Per Punt: 20 * 0.50% = 0.10 per Punt
Chance of activation: 5% * ( 20% of punts within 20 ) = 1% of punts
Bonus Per Punt: 20 * 1.00% = 0.20 per Punt

Even if this affected some other formula as opposed to the punt statistic, this is I believe a wasted VA.

qft

I think a good alternative would be a VA where the closer you are to your goalline, the more powerful your punt becomes. Either that or "wobbler" where your team gets + % chance to force a fumble due to the punt being difficult to catch/run with. Could probably work for kickers to on kickoffs if they want the ability as well. Any feedback before I post this in suggestions?

Originally posted by bashildy
OK i did some math on Leg of Steel to make sure I didn't miss anything.

(math snipped)

Even if this affected some other formula as opposed to the punt statistic, this is I believe a wasted VA.

Your analysis is interesting, but what it fails to consider is the "game context" of those OWN20 punts -- Like is your team more likely to give up points if the opponents start at midfield, and also TDs vs FGs.

I've seen games between balanced teams where total yards were similar or in favor of the loser but one team ended up winning because their drives typically started OWN40 or better whereas the other team was always deep in its own zone.

That said, if your team doesn't cover punts very well, booming a punt might just give the opposition a better chance to have a better return.

I guess my conclusion is that the value of this VA depends more on the situation of your team and the type of competition it faces. Punters don't stay with one team for their entire career and some leagues can change dramatically from season to season, so that fact alone might suggest that it's always better to take a +1% improvement to an attribute, but if you're punting in a Pro league and plan to stay there this VA could give you an edge.