For a speed rushing DE...
Better to go with the +% in Speed/Agility
Or go for Jump the snap?
Seein as you dont have a million vet points.
Better to go with the +% in Speed/Agility
Or go for Jump the snap?
Seein as you dont have a million vet points.
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haven't seen "jump the snap yet...so i'm eluctant to give up the speed/agility for it...
...also, don't want any encroachment penalties hurting my team.
...also, don't want any encroachment penalties hurting my team.
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Not sure how the vision check works.. Ive seem replys where my guy seems Slooooow. And others where I'm a bat out of hell(fast). Is that the Vision check in and out of effect?
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If your talking about how many ticks it takes him to start moving then yes...that is the vision check...and go Colts!
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Originally posted by xDC5x
Not sure how the vision check works.. Ive seem replys where my guy seems Slooooow. And others where I'm a bat out of hell(fast). Is that the Vision check in and out of effect?
Yes. A poor vision DE, in the new algorithm, will simply hurt the DE's chance of getting a good jump. Hence the idiom "my DE is having tea with the OL!" Higher vision, with good builds elsewhere, has proven to give the DE more changes at shed blocks and get quality sacks. But unfortunately many self-proclaimed veteran expert here still don't believe this is the case, and still want to do things the "old way" - and of course when they don't get the results it's "Bort sucks"
Also, go with Jump the Snap. +1% isn't going to all of a sudden make your DE a penalty machine, but +3% in jump the snap will do wonders. Even at say +15% jump the snap vs. +5% encroachment chance is worth it.
Of course something else these experts don't want to hear, you can simply work up your confidence to off-set the change of committing penalty.
Not sure how the vision check works.. Ive seem replys where my guy seems Slooooow. And others where I'm a bat out of hell(fast). Is that the Vision check in and out of effect?
Yes. A poor vision DE, in the new algorithm, will simply hurt the DE's chance of getting a good jump. Hence the idiom "my DE is having tea with the OL!" Higher vision, with good builds elsewhere, has proven to give the DE more changes at shed blocks and get quality sacks. But unfortunately many self-proclaimed veteran expert here still don't believe this is the case, and still want to do things the "old way" - and of course when they don't get the results it's "Bort sucks"
Also, go with Jump the Snap. +1% isn't going to all of a sudden make your DE a penalty machine, but +3% in jump the snap will do wonders. Even at say +15% jump the snap vs. +5% encroachment chance is worth it.
Of course something else these experts don't want to hear, you can simply work up your confidence to off-set the change of committing penalty.
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How can you talk about the effectiveness of a VA without ever seeing it in action? It could be good, it could suck, we don't know.
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Originally posted by Motiak
How can you talk about the effectiveness of a VA without ever seeing it in action? It could be good, it could suck, we don't know.
But you can make some educated guesses at how it should affect things.
How can you talk about the effectiveness of a VA without ever seeing it in action? It could be good, it could suck, we don't know.
But you can make some educated guesses at how it should affect things.
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Originally posted by Motiak
How can you talk about the effectiveness of a VA without ever seeing it in action? It could be good, it could suck, we don't know.
How can you talk about the effectiveness of a VA without ever seeing it in action? It could be good, it could suck, we don't know.
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Originally posted by FatLoad
Originally posted by Motiak
How can you talk about the effectiveness of a VA without ever seeing it in action? It could be good, it could suck, we don't know.
But you can make some educated guesses at how it should affect things.
I don't mind guessing, but people shouldn't talk definitively about a VA that we've never seen in action like BiggerBlue did. Leads people astray.
Originally posted by Motiak
How can you talk about the effectiveness of a VA without ever seeing it in action? It could be good, it could suck, we don't know.
But you can make some educated guesses at how it should affect things.
I don't mind guessing, but people shouldn't talk definitively about a VA that we've never seen in action like BiggerBlue did. Leads people astray.
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Originally posted by Motiak
How can you talk about the effectiveness of a VA without ever seeing it in action? It could be good, it could suck, we don't know.
Well, you are free to bury your head in the sand while the rest of us make decision based on educated hypothesis. Some people are leaders, and others are followers. Will leaders always succeed? Of course not, but why would anyone doubt the effectiveness of a VA that gives a huge boost to an important trait?
How can you talk about the effectiveness of a VA without ever seeing it in action? It could be good, it could suck, we don't know.
Well, you are free to bury your head in the sand while the rest of us make decision based on educated hypothesis. Some people are leaders, and others are followers. Will leaders always succeed? Of course not, but why would anyone doubt the effectiveness of a VA that gives a huge boost to an important trait?
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seems like "football genius" with realatively high vision would be pretty similar to "jump the snap" with out increasing the penalties
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Originally posted by BiggerBlue
Originally posted by Motiak
How can you talk about the effectiveness of a VA without ever seeing it in action? It could be good, it could suck, we don't know.
Well, you are free to bury your head in the sand while the rest of us make decision based on educated hypothesis. Some people are leaders, and others are followers. Will leaders always succeed? Of course not, but why would anyone doubt the effectiveness of a VA that gives a huge boost to an important trait?
Huge boost?
I assure you if your vision is merely capped, since that's what you consider "high" apparently... that the VA wont do squat for you. You're going to need a lot more vision than that... which isn't necessarily a bad thing either.
Originally posted by Motiak
How can you talk about the effectiveness of a VA without ever seeing it in action? It could be good, it could suck, we don't know.
Well, you are free to bury your head in the sand while the rest of us make decision based on educated hypothesis. Some people are leaders, and others are followers. Will leaders always succeed? Of course not, but why would anyone doubt the effectiveness of a VA that gives a huge boost to an important trait?
Huge boost?
I assure you if your vision is merely capped, since that's what you consider "high" apparently... that the VA wont do squat for you. You're going to need a lot more vision than that... which isn't necessarily a bad thing either.
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Originally posted by BiggerBlue
Originally posted by xDC5x
Not sure how the vision check works.. Ive seem replys where my guy seems Slooooow. And others where I'm a bat out of hell(fast). Is that the Vision check in and out of effect?
Yes. A poor vision DE, in the new algorithm, will simply hurt the DE's chance of getting a good jump. Hence the idiom "my DE is having tea with the OL!" Higher vision, with good builds elsewhere, has proven to give the DE more changes at shed blocks and get quality sacks. But unfortunately many self-proclaimed veteran expert here still don't believe this is the case, and still want to do things the "old way" - and of course when they don't get the results it's "Bort sucks"
Also, go with Jump the Snap. +1% isn't going to all of a sudden make your DE a penalty machine, but +3% in jump the snap will do wonders. Even at say +15% jump the snap vs. +5% encroachment chance is worth it.
Of course something else these experts don't want to hear, you can simply work up your confidence to off-set the change of committing penalty.
ITT: Talking out of your ass.
Originally posted by xDC5x
Not sure how the vision check works.. Ive seem replys where my guy seems Slooooow. And others where I'm a bat out of hell(fast). Is that the Vision check in and out of effect?
Yes. A poor vision DE, in the new algorithm, will simply hurt the DE's chance of getting a good jump. Hence the idiom "my DE is having tea with the OL!" Higher vision, with good builds elsewhere, has proven to give the DE more changes at shed blocks and get quality sacks. But unfortunately many self-proclaimed veteran expert here still don't believe this is the case, and still want to do things the "old way" - and of course when they don't get the results it's "Bort sucks"
Also, go with Jump the Snap. +1% isn't going to all of a sudden make your DE a penalty machine, but +3% in jump the snap will do wonders. Even at say +15% jump the snap vs. +5% encroachment chance is worth it.
Of course something else these experts don't want to hear, you can simply work up your confidence to off-set the change of committing penalty.
ITT: Talking out of your ass.
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Originally posted by xManning1018x
Originally posted by BiggerBlue
Originally posted by xDC5x
Not sure how the vision check works.. Ive seem replys where my guy seems Slooooow. And others where I'm a bat out of hell(fast). Is that the Vision check in and out of effect?
Yes. A poor vision DE, in the new algorithm, will simply hurt the DE's chance of getting a good jump. Hence the idiom "my DE is having tea with the OL!" Higher vision, with good builds elsewhere, has proven to give the DE more changes at shed blocks and get quality sacks. But unfortunately many self-proclaimed veteran expert here still don't believe this is the case, and still want to do things the "old way" - and of course when they don't get the results it's "Bort sucks"
Also, go with Jump the Snap. +1% isn't going to all of a sudden make your DE a penalty machine, but +3% in jump the snap will do wonders. Even at say +15% jump the snap vs. +5% encroachment chance is worth it.
Of course something else these experts don't want to hear, you can simply work up your confidence to off-set the change of committing penalty.
ITT: Talking out of your ass.
Originally posted by BiggerBlue
Originally posted by xDC5x
Not sure how the vision check works.. Ive seem replys where my guy seems Slooooow. And others where I'm a bat out of hell(fast). Is that the Vision check in and out of effect?
Yes. A poor vision DE, in the new algorithm, will simply hurt the DE's chance of getting a good jump. Hence the idiom "my DE is having tea with the OL!" Higher vision, with good builds elsewhere, has proven to give the DE more changes at shed blocks and get quality sacks. But unfortunately many self-proclaimed veteran expert here still don't believe this is the case, and still want to do things the "old way" - and of course when they don't get the results it's "Bort sucks"
Also, go with Jump the Snap. +1% isn't going to all of a sudden make your DE a penalty machine, but +3% in jump the snap will do wonders. Even at say +15% jump the snap vs. +5% encroachment chance is worth it.
Of course something else these experts don't want to hear, you can simply work up your confidence to off-set the change of committing penalty.
ITT: Talking out of your ass.
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