OK, pretty simple question but it's my first FB so I want to ask some of the experts. I'm looking to build a pure, 100% blocking Full Back a la Lorenzo Neal or Sam Gash, where should I put my equipment and focus my attention - Strength or Blocking?
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OK, pretty simple question but it's my first FB so I want to ask some of the experts. I'm looking to build a pure, 100% blocking Full Back a la Lorenzo Neal or Sam Gash, where should I put my equipment and focus my attention - Strength or Blocking?
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Main opinion on these here forums is to go strength, my personal opinion is blocking but i'm very much in the minority.
If you go strength, you can be a very deadly lower level FB (you pancake everyone in site) but struggle with pass blocking and at higher levels where your opponents strength rises.
If you go blocking, you get less pancakes (duh!) and less second level blocking but tend to eliminate the players you do block entirely from a play. You also get the added benefit of being able to pass block.
True answer is that you want a lot of both for an all around blocking FB, the fineprint is down to personal taste.
If you go strength, you can be a very deadly lower level FB (you pancake everyone in site) but struggle with pass blocking and at higher levels where your opponents strength rises.
If you go blocking, you get less pancakes (duh!) and less second level blocking but tend to eliminate the players you do block entirely from a play. You also get the added benefit of being able to pass block.
True answer is that you want a lot of both for an all around blocking FB, the fineprint is down to personal taste.
smallbugger
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I say strength...
most the guys you will be getting you hands on LBs, CBs, Safeties don't have block breaking skills.... so it doesn't take a huge about of blocking to hold a guy for a few seconds
As well you will need to be able to move guys back... strength moves them while blocking allows you to hold on to them....
The other component is the pancake... hitting a CB and knocking him to the ground then getting up to the next level to make another block can be a beautiful thing (not very common, but does happen)
Just make sure you don't forget high speed/agility.... your no use blocking if your HB is running past you.
just my 2c
most the guys you will be getting you hands on LBs, CBs, Safeties don't have block breaking skills.... so it doesn't take a huge about of blocking to hold a guy for a few seconds
As well you will need to be able to move guys back... strength moves them while blocking allows you to hold on to them....
The other component is the pancake... hitting a CB and knocking him to the ground then getting up to the next level to make another block can be a beautiful thing (not very common, but does happen)
Just make sure you don't forget high speed/agility.... your no use blocking if your HB is running past you.
just my 2c
Underdawg08
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Focus on blocking more than str. 61 str is good to go. 68 blocking with all equipment would make a beast of a fullback.
Dustin Diamond
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Focus on blocking more than str. 61 str is good to go. 68 blocking with all equipment would make a beast of a fullback.
IMO you don't need any more than about 50 blocking. The only time you need to hold a block more than a few ticks is in pass blocking & in that case the QB should be getting the ball out in a few ticks from that point anyway. Strength & Agility are the two biggest attributes for a FB IMO.
Focus on blocking more than str. 61 str is good to go. 68 blocking with all equipment would make a beast of a fullback.
IMO you don't need any more than about 50 blocking. The only time you need to hold a block more than a few ticks is in pass blocking & in that case the QB should be getting the ball out in a few ticks from that point anyway. Strength & Agility are the two biggest attributes for a FB IMO.
Kayoh
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The best FBs I've seen have a shitton of Strength (with EQ) and at least 60 Speed, Agility, and Blocking.
Underdawg08
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Originally posted by Dustin Diamond
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Focus on blocking more than str. 61 str is good to go. 68 blocking with all equipment would make a beast of a fullback.
IMO you don't need any more than about 50 blocking. The only time you need to hold a block more than a few ticks is in pass blocking & in that case the QB should be getting the ball out in a few ticks from that point anyway. Strength & Agility are the two biggest attributes for a FB IMO.
No don't buy this. Blocking is much better.
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Focus on blocking more than str. 61 str is good to go. 68 blocking with all equipment would make a beast of a fullback.
IMO you don't need any more than about 50 blocking. The only time you need to hold a block more than a few ticks is in pass blocking & in that case the QB should be getting the ball out in a few ticks from that point anyway. Strength & Agility are the two biggest attributes for a FB IMO.
No don't buy this. Blocking is much better.
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I think Strength. Blocking is important if you're going to pass block a lot.
For run blocking, you have to have agility and speed as well as strength. Since Speed isn't a major or minor skill, it doesn't get any level bonus, so you have to consider that training and gettting SPs in Speed is very important. Also, if you're HB has 80-90 speed, you're going to have a tough time leading him because he'll be right up your back. This setup will probably assist you in being a better ball carrier as well.
For pass blocking, you'll need agility and vision, but you'll also need blocking since you'll have to be holding that block for 3, 4, and 5 seconds (if you can). So it's important to understand what kind of team you're on, then decide if you want to build your guy that way.
Cap strength first, then blocking, then agility, then speed. At that point, you can decide which way you want to go. You can also make an educated decision because you'll have seen how each attribute effected your player's play. I've had guys with very good FBs tell me to cap blocking and then not worry about it again. I've had others that say it needs to be equal with strength. Then, as you can see on this thread, there are people that think it should be more than strength.
For run blocking, you have to have agility and speed as well as strength. Since Speed isn't a major or minor skill, it doesn't get any level bonus, so you have to consider that training and gettting SPs in Speed is very important. Also, if you're HB has 80-90 speed, you're going to have a tough time leading him because he'll be right up your back. This setup will probably assist you in being a better ball carrier as well.
For pass blocking, you'll need agility and vision, but you'll also need blocking since you'll have to be holding that block for 3, 4, and 5 seconds (if you can). So it's important to understand what kind of team you're on, then decide if you want to build your guy that way.
Cap strength first, then blocking, then agility, then speed. At that point, you can decide which way you want to go. You can also make an educated decision because you'll have seen how each attribute effected your player's play. I've had guys with very good FBs tell me to cap blocking and then not worry about it again. I've had others that say it needs to be equal with strength. Then, as you can see on this thread, there are people that think it should be more than strength.
Dustin Diamond
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Originally posted by UnderDogs
Originally posted by Dustin Diamond
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Focus on blocking more than str. 61 str is good to go. 68 blocking with all equipment would make a beast of a fullback.
IMO you don't need any more than about 50 blocking. The only time you need to hold a block more than a few ticks is in pass blocking & in that case the QB should be getting the ball out in a few ticks from that point anyway. Strength & Agility are the two biggest attributes for a FB IMO.
No don't buy this. Blocking is much better.
Since you have backed up your argument with oh so many facts, & don't have a FB, let alone a high level one, I am wondering what your argument is based on. Everyone is going to have a different view on builds, but there are some awesome FBs with only about 30 blocking, & some awesome ones with over 60 blocking, but the one common denominator is that the really good FBs all seem to have a ton of strength.
Originally posted by Dustin Diamond
Originally posted by UnderDogs
Focus on blocking more than str. 61 str is good to go. 68 blocking with all equipment would make a beast of a fullback.
IMO you don't need any more than about 50 blocking. The only time you need to hold a block more than a few ticks is in pass blocking & in that case the QB should be getting the ball out in a few ticks from that point anyway. Strength & Agility are the two biggest attributes for a FB IMO.
No don't buy this. Blocking is much better.
Since you have backed up your argument with oh so many facts, & don't have a FB, let alone a high level one, I am wondering what your argument is based on. Everyone is going to have a different view on builds, but there are some awesome FBs with only about 30 blocking, & some awesome ones with over 60 blocking, but the one common denominator is that the really good FBs all seem to have a ton of strength.
Underdawg08
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Because sometimes your h.b. won't even follow you if you don't have enough blocking for him not to view who you are tangled with as a threat with because you have high str.
all you're doing with high str is tangling. you're not "blocking" the hb can still get tackled just as easily.
with higher blocking the hb can run through the guy who is actually blocked. not tangled with.
all you're doing with high str is tangling. you're not "blocking" the hb can still get tackled just as easily.
with higher blocking the hb can run through the guy who is actually blocked. not tangled with.
Underdawg08
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Originally posted by Dustin Diamond
Since you have backed up your argument with oh so many facts, & don't have a FB, let alone a high level one, I am wondering what your argument is based on. Everyone is going to have a different view on builds, but there are some awesome FBs with only about 30 blocking, & some awesome ones with over 60 blocking, but the one common denominator is that the really good FBs all seem to have a ton of strength.
Yeah I also don't have a fantastic lead blocking fullback who blocks for my running back on the team I O.C. for.
Since you have backed up your argument with oh so many facts, & don't have a FB, let alone a high level one, I am wondering what your argument is based on. Everyone is going to have a different view on builds, but there are some awesome FBs with only about 30 blocking, & some awesome ones with over 60 blocking, but the one common denominator is that the really good FBs all seem to have a ton of strength.
Yeah I also don't have a fantastic lead blocking fullback who blocks for my running back on the team I O.C. for.
Dustin Diamond
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I guess I was just tangling in front of 5000 yard rushing attacks the last few seasons then.
Underdawg08
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Originally posted by Dustin Diamond
I guess I was just tangling in front of 5000 yard rushing attacks the last few seasons then.
pretty much. I don't really see your hb following your fullback.
I guess I was just tangling in front of 5000 yard rushing attacks the last few seasons then.
pretty much. I don't really see your hb following your fullback.
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