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Sik Wit It
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I posted this in the Top 25 rankings discussion and we have been talking about running one. I just wanted some more feedback on my method of running it. We are debating on which method to use, so I wanted to see how popular this way would be. Remember this would be next season.

GLB's International Pro Tournament of Champions

The basics
-32 teams, 4 from each Pro league.
-Group stages (I'll go more into this later)
-16-team Bracket where it becomes single-elimination

How to play in it:
-You must QUALIFY for the tournament.
-Qualification will be determined in the following way:
1) Each Pro league's top 4 teams from the PREVIOUS season gets an "invite" to participate in it. The Pro Champ, the Pro runner up, and the 2 teams that lost in the conference championship. I'm going to call these teams "divisional" champions because it's easier to type. I know we don't have divisions.
2) If any of the 4 teams has gutted during the offseason or doesn't want to participate, the next most qualified team will get an invite based on something like average playoffs points differential, most points scored, or least points allowed. Something like that.

Group stages
-32 teams, 8 groups of 4. In order to make sure there are fair matchups, groups will be determined in the following way.
1) Every Pro league champion will be in a separate group. This is to ensure the best of the best don't all beat each other having some of the better teams miss the bracket rounds.
2) Every group will have 1 Pro league champion, 1 runner up, and 2 "divisional" champions. All Pro champions will be in separate groups, and the remaining 3 teams will be chosen at random. Meaning 1 out of 8 runner ups will be chosen for each group, and 2 of 16 divisional champs will be chosen. Hopefully they will be from varying regions, giving us a good variety of teams and matchups.
3) All 4 teams will play each other in 3 games. You will get 3 points for a win, 0 points for a loss. 1 Point if you somehow manage a tie. The 2 point leaders after all games within the group are played will move on to the bracket stages. Example: Pro champ goes 3-0, (9 points), runner up goes 1-2 (3 points), divisional champs go 2-1 (6 points), and 0-3 (0 points). The champions and divisional champs with 6 points would move on.

Bracket stages:
-Pretty self-explanatory. I'm not sure how the "seeding" would work at the moment.
-Single elimination
-Last team standing gets bragging rights for the year as the International Pro Champions.

Thoughts? The guys in the top 25 forum had problems with my qualifying method. They would rather wait til mid-season and rank teams themselves, then send invites. I think it's better my way because you have an objective way of selecting them based on when teams are playing at their best (the playoffs). The only thing it doesn't account for is off-season acquisitions. But hey...qualifying for a best of the best tournament should be hard in the first place, so those teams that made power moves in the offseason will have to prove themselves during the reg season and playoffs to make it the following year.
 
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Good idea, but team selection would have some issues:

1) Championship team could be disbanded;
2) Off season FA acquisitions;
3) Sim changes for the new season, which can make a big impact. Teams with power backs didn't do so hot last season, but this season those teams got a major boost. Plus changes made during the season such as the DT change. I think the change to DT had a huge impact on the success of Parma this season. Dan Dakota wasn't the same after the changes were made, where as he destroyed teams by himself last season.
 
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Originally posted by datongw
Good idea, but team selection would have some issues:

1) Championship team could be disbanded;
2) Off season FA acquisitions;
3) Sim changes for the new season, which can make a big impact. Teams with power backs didn't do so hot last season, but this season those teams got a major boost. Plus changes made during the season such as the DT change. I think the change to DT had a huge impact on the success of Parma this season. Dan Dakota wasn't the same after the changes were made, where as he destroyed teams by himself last season.


1) I addressed that in my post. Those teams could be skipped over, and different criteria would be used to chose their replacement like points scored, least points allowed, or point differential among all remaining teams. Like for instance, since the Boston Nighthawks disbanded, that would make room for another quality team like the Shockers or something. Sorry I don't have the playoff brackets for USA Pro last season...otherwise I'd be more specific.
2) True, it doesn't take that into account, but you can never be sure how acquisitions will affect a team...positive or negative.
3) The sim would be different, but is it better than the alternative? I don't think mid-season and preseason performance shows how good a team is. a) teams could have had an easy starting schedule like the Freebirds this season b) teams are still getting used to the sim...could have lost games they otherwise wouldn't c) the tournament might not even finish in time.

I think if you make them qualify, it forces good teams into the tourney. Teams that have proven themselves in the past season by performing at the highest level at the most crucial time. No token boosts, no testing tactics...everyone is playing to win in the playoffs.

I think I'd much rather accidentally leave a couple of good teams out than to accidentally let a couple of bad teams in.
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Galkuris
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TBH it should be weighted a bit towards the stronger leagues. My thought in an earlier thread here was 8 from the USA/Canada, 4 from SA/Oceania, and 2 from the other 4.

Also, if you don't take that idea, maybe play in "Groups" should just go by league, for example:

Group 1
USA Champ
Africa runner up

Group 2
Canada champ
SEA runner up

..
..
..

Group 8
Africa Champ
USA Runner up


And then the rest can be random, but it certainly would be best to make sure that two teams from the same league aren't in the same group.
 
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Originally posted by Galkuris
TBH it should be weighted a bit towards the stronger leagues. My thought in an earlier thread here was 8 from the USA/Canada, 4 from SA/Oceania, and 2 from the other 4.

Also, if you don't take that idea, maybe play in "Groups" should just go by league, for example:

Group 1
USA Champ
Africa runner up

Group 2
Canada champ
SEA runner up

..
..
..

Group 8
Africa Champ
USA Runner up


And then the rest can be random, but it certainly would be best to make sure that two teams from the same league aren't in the same group.


In the name of fairness I would invite 4 from each region, then determine from our first tournament if a weighted system has to be introduced. Don't get me wrong I get what you're saying. I think USA and CPL are definitely head and shoulders better than the other Pro conferences, but it's hard to really "prove" that until we run a tournament, and hard to justify shafting the other leagues like that. I know if wouldn't be shafting cuz we're better, but that's how they would see it
 
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Maybe if it was a Universe League?
 
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I say just keep it plain and simple. We have 8 pro leagues. Take the four top teams from each pro league (All the teams that made it to the conference championship's) and toss them right into this World League. I know there will probably be some miss-matches the first couple seasons but at least they will have a shot at proving themselves and on top of that have a good chance to better their teams through free agent's who want to play for a world league team.

After each season 4 teams get demoted (2 from each conference + gutted teams) and go back to their original leagues. The 8 pro champions face each other randomly in single elimination scrimages as soon as the championship games are over. This will leave 4 pro championship teams to move into the world league.

All world league champions officially beat the game and have the option to play Space Invaders everytime they log on to GLB.
Last edited Feb 3, 2009 15:52:23
 
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Originally posted by Doomsday
I say just keep it plain and simple. We have 8 pro leagues. Take the four top teams from each pro league (All the teams that made it to the conference championship's) and toss them right into this World League. I know there will probably be some miss-matches the first couple seasons but at least they will have a shot at proving themselves and on top of that have a good chance to better their teams through free agent's who want to play for a world league team.

After each season 4 teams get demoted (2 from each conference + gutted teams) and go back to their original leagues. The 8 pro champions face each other randomly in single elimination scrimages as soon as the championship games are over. This will leave 4 pro championship teams to move into the world league.

All world league champions officially beat the game and have the option to play Space Invaders everytime they log on to GLB.


His idea isn't actually a "League" but rather just a major tournament every season.
 
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Ahhh. Thanx for pointing that out to me. It's been a long day. Can't think straight. Either that or maybe the Jager is starting to kick in.
 
Sik Wit It
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Yeah it doesn't involve promotion or relegation...you just have to qualify the previous year.

I'm not so sure about this idea anymore though...we have a pretty good setup we're thinking about running in the top 25 forum

Each Pro champ gets an automatic bid

Then the committee is going to do a mid-season ranking to invite the other 24 teams.

The format is the same, but the selection process is the only difference.
 
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Originally posted by Doomsday
I say just keep it plain and simple. We have 8 pro leagues. Take the four top teams from each pro league (All the teams that made it to the conference championship's) and toss them right into this World League. I know there will probably be some miss-matches the first couple seasons but at least they will have a shot at proving themselves and on top of that have a good chance to better their teams through free agent's who want to play for a world league team.

After each season 4 teams get demoted (2 from each conference + gutted teams) and go back to their original leagues. The 8 pro champions face each other randomly in single elimination scrimages as soon as the championship games are over. This will leave 4 pro championship teams to move into the world league.

All world league champions officially beat the game and have the option to play Space Invaders everytime they log on to GLB.


Didn't Bort propose something like that back in season 2?
 


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