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fofofofo
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He hasn't done anything ever, unlike most of my other players.

Should I retire him or can he be salvaged (leaning towards retirement ... heavily)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=792922
 
ChicagoTRS
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Might as well...even DEs that look great on paper are not doing anything this season...so I expect your DE will continue to do nothing.
 
F8n4tune
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I've got a little more speed/strength/agility/vision as you but way less First Step SA. I think it's more game plan than anything , he looks decent enough to me.

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=861866

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BiggerBlue
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Most of your stats are put up against gutted teams. 150-0 win doesn't give you a hint why your DE is "effective?"

Damn, in the GLB the DE can only look forward to playing gutted teams... might as well retire him.

I'm thinking hard of retiring all 4 of my DEs and build all Powerbacks instead. At least I can enjoy those realistic 10,000 rushing yards in ONE season.
 
theJ
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Meh, i'd keep him. Maybe don't boost him until changes are made? Then there's no harm, and there will be plenty of spots for you when everyone else knee-jerks retirement and Bort un-nerfs.
 
mikeydz
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You are the 3rd string DE, so you can't expect to have much if any stats. You are getting about half the playing time as the other guys, but since you are on special teams, you can probably cut your total plays in half as far as being on the field with the actual defensive squad. You are also a little below the halfway mark as far as suggested levels go, so you are probably almost always facing equal or higher level OTs, which again hurts your prospects.

If you are looking for stats, then you probably need to move to a capped league where you will more likely be the starter or at least primary backup.

There was just a guy in the Deebo thread who was bitching about nerf, while he's having the best season of his players career. I looked at his build and yours, and they are very similar, except he's 16 levels higher than you. His Strength, speed, and agility is broken down the same ratio as yours (27% STR/ 32%SPD/ 40%AGI). He just has more than First Step (he actually has the most in Shed Block) for SA's, in addition to higher attributes due to his level advantage, but other than the level difference, you guys attribute wise are very similar.

I think the main thing is this. This is the season that a build like yours would start to shine, but you just are on the wrong team/league to do it.

 
riccor25
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Originally posted by fofofofo
He hasn't done anything ever, unlike most of my other players.

Should I retire him or can he be salvaged (leaning towards retirement ... heavily)

http://goallineblitz.com/game/player.pl?player_id=792922


Last season I would have said you were on the right track, keep up the good work, and don't retire. There aren't enough seasons left for my DE for me to go experimenting to see what if anything can be done to fix it. I'll never make another DE that's for sure unless Bort admits there's something not working right and he'll fix it.
 
mikeydz
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Originally posted by
Last season I would have said you were on the right track, keep up the good work, and don't retire. There aren't enough seasons left for my DE for me to go experimenting to see what if anything can be done to fix it. I'll never make another DE that's for sure unless Bort admits there's something not working right and he'll fix it.


You4 lvl45 DE is on pace to eclipse your sack totals from last season, in a season where DE's are supposed to be toned down, and you think something is wrong? What was your goal for this season, 100 sacks? And your lvl 35 has exploded this season. His best season before this was 2 sacks, and this season he has 25 so far.

Bort is trying to make it less of a bizarro world football sim where there are less triple digit blowouts and ONLY getting 10 sacks in a blowout win is considered a bad game for a DE. You say he's broken the game, but I say he's fixing it.

 
Motiak
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Originally posted by mikeydz
Originally posted by

Last season I would have said you were on the right track, keep up the good work, and don't retire. There aren't enough seasons left for my DE for me to go experimenting to see what if anything can be done to fix it. I'll never make another DE that's for sure unless Bort admits there's something not working right and he'll fix it.


You4 lvl45 DE is on pace to eclipse your sack totals from last season, in a season where DE's are supposed to be toned down, and you think something is wrong? What was your goal for this season, 100 sacks? And your lvl 35 has exploded this season. His best season before this was 2 sacks, and this season he has 25 so far.

Bort is trying to make it less of a bizarro world football sim where there are less triple digit blowouts and ONLY getting 10 sacks in a blowout win is considered a bad game for a DE. You say he's broken the game, but I say he's fixing it.



Making judgments based off of blowout wins is foolish. DEs are frustrated because making an impact in games between equal teams is very difficult, not because they don't get enough sacks in blowout wins.
 
riccor25
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Originally posted by mikeydz
Originally posted by

Last season I would have said you were on the right track, keep up the good work, and don't retire. There aren't enough seasons left for my DE for me to go experimenting to see what if anything can be done to fix it. I'll never make another DE that's for sure unless Bort admits there's something not working right and he'll fix it.


You4 lvl45 DE is on pace to eclipse your sack totals from last season, in a season where DE's are supposed to be toned down, and you think something is wrong? What was your goal for this season, 100 sacks? And your lvl 35 has exploded this season. His best season before this was 2 sacks, and this season he has 25 so far.

Bort is trying to make it less of a bizarro world football sim where there are less triple digit blowouts and ONLY getting 10 sacks in a blowout win is considered a bad game for a DE. You say he's broken the game, but I say he's fixing it.



Here's the real problem...

You think my DE is having a great year because he has X number of sacks.

The reality is when you look at the sacks he has gotten this season. Every single one comes against OTs who are either CPU or 15+ levels lower than him. If he were in a league, let's say USA A or AA where there are OTs within his level range, he would have zero sacks on the year.

No offense to you, but you really need to look more closely at this situation. I am not the only DE that is frustrated right now. Go read the bazillion threads on the GLB forums, D-line forums, or the private D-line forums. Read some posts by some of the OTs who freely admit there is something wrong. Watch some replays, and try to find DEs getting sacks against equal competition. It's not happening. Some people say it is. They say just fix your builds. I say fine.... Tell me what the "new template" is suppose to look like, and I'll try to fix it.
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riccor25
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I mean this is season 7 in a nutshell for me.
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=352762&pbp_id=4175160
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=300983&pbp_id=7311971
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=352762&pbp_id=4175443
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=300932&pbp_id=3482921
http://goallineblitz.com/game/replay.pl?game_id=300932&pbp_id=3484511
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The DE in the OP is only level 24, that's pretty early to retire a guy. I don't even start to look at a player's production until around that level. But if all you're concerned about are crazy stats, maybe you should retire him and keep creating new characters.
 
mikeydz
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I didn't look at your replays because when I saw your game log and scores, there wasn't many games that looked close to be able to judge fairly. Only 1 game was decided by less than 10 points. That's to small a sample size (just looking at your situation) to know if that was a freak game or there is an underlying problem.

And to answer Motaik, I don't make judgments off blowout games. I actually discount them completely, but in GBL, most of the games are blowouts, so it's tough to make really good judgments, as opposed to wild theories, on what's wrong and how to fix it. Until Bort finds a way to bring more competetive balance to the league, it's hard to find the problems amidst all the freak games.

Let me ask you Ric. In a balanced league, where your guy is in the top 10 DEs, but almost always goes against OTs within at worst 5 levels of you, what do you think your stat line should look like for the season. I'm thinking it should be 15-20 sacks, 4-6 FFs and 40-60 tackles. The unanswerable question since the league balances are so out of whack is if Wheezer would actually put up those numbers.



 
mikeydz
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And again, to the OP, I think his build is ok (though I prefer DEs that have his speed and agility swapped), but he does need to start balancing out his other SAs.
 
riccor25
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Originally posted by mikeydz


Let me ask you Ric. In a balanced league, where your guy is in the top 10 DEs, but almost always goes against OTs within at worst 5 levels of you, what do you think your stat line should look like for the season. I'm thinking it should be 15-20 sacks, 4-6 FFs and 40-60 tackles. The unanswerable question since the league balances are so out of whack is if Wheezer would actually put up those numbers.



I would be perfectly happy with those numbers, and I can tell you he wouldn't. I have seen comparable DEs in leagues like you describe, and they aren't putting up those kind of stats.
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